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Revelation is not about the Body of Christ

Wednesday, September 9, 2020

Revelation is not about the Body of Christ

The body of Christ is not the subject of the book of Revelation. Here is some evidence to support that fact:

1. Its placement in the sixfold division of the Bible:

The OT - The King and His coming Kingdom in promise and prophecy
The 4 Gospels - The King and His Kingdom offered and rejected
The Acts - The King and His Kingdom re-offered and rejected, transition to the body of Christ
The Pauline Epistles - The Kingdom postponed, the King made Head of the Church
The Jewish Epistles - The King and His Kingdom once again at hand
The Revelation - The King comes to establish His kingdom on the earth

2. The Jewish character of the book. It is full of Hebrew idioms, expressions, words and phrases, and imagery. The number of OT passages quoted or alluded to in Matthew is 92, Hebrews is 102, but Revelation is 285!

3. Revelation is a book of PROPHECY (Rev. 1:3; 22:7,10,18-19). The body of Christ is not the subject of prophecy but a great mystery that was hid from the prophets and was first revealed to and through the apostle Paul (Rom. 16:25; Eph. 3:5,9; Col. 1:26).

4. The vantage point from which John writes the book is the future Day of the LORD (1:10). The Spirit transported him past the Grace Age into the tribulation period (and beyond) to be an eyewitness of the things he was to write.

5. The promises given to the 7 churches are clearly for tribulation saints. The Bible does not limit the use of the word "church" to the present age (Acts 7:38). Does the body of Christ have to overcome in order to have right to the tree of life and not be hurt of the second death (2:7,11)?

6. Jesus Christ is presented throughout this book in accordance with prophecy and not the revelation of the mystery (Rom. 16:25). He is seen as the Great High Priest and the coming King of kings, not the Head of the church.

7. The WHOLE book was sent to the seven churches and they were told to KEEP the things in it (Rev. 1:3,11). Are you trying to keep the instruction of 14:9-12 and 22:14 for example?

There is more evidence than this but I think these 7 points are suffcient for any thinking person that is not totally blinded by religious tradition to see that Revelation is not about the body of Christ. All scripture is FOR us but it was not all written TO us or ABOUT us!

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Rightly dividing the Word is the goal of this article, and it is an indispensable key to proper understanding of the Bible. The abundance of scriptural evidence detailed in the third section makes it very clear that Revelation is doctrine for Israel, which was written to Jews who believed in Jesus Christ, by an apostle of the circumcision, for direct application in the prophetic "kingdom" dispensation. At the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, God placed that dispensation in abeyance in 70 AD, to be resumed in the future tribulation.

The entire book of Revelation, including chapters 1-3, is deeply rooted in Old Testament prophecy. It is doctrinally aligned with the epistles of Peter, James, John, and Jude, all of whom were apostles of the circumcision, as well as to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, and the Old Testament.

The dispensation of grace in which we now live is revealed in Romans through Philemon, our Apostle Paul's letters to the Gentiles, with Acts being the book of transition between the two dispensations.

Source: The Seven Churches of Revelation
Matthew McGee http://www.matthewmcgee.org/7church.html

Bible Study Notes

From the study notes of Pastor David O'Steen

The Body of Christ: Confirmation or Revelation?

by Vincent Bennett

In Hebrews 2:3 we find these words, “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great Salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;” and immediately we ask the question, “With what kind of ministry did the Lord Jesus begin?” In Romans 15:8 Paul supplies the answer, “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.” So we see from the Word of God that Jesus Christ’s beginning ministry was a ministry of confirmation.

Turning to Matthew 4:17 we find these words, “From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,” This gives to us the message of Jesus’ ministry, and in verse 23, its dispensational characteristics.

“AND JESUS WENT ABOUT ALL GALILEE, TEACHING IN THEIR SYNAGOGUES, AND PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, AND HEALING ALL MANNER OF SICKNESS AND ALL MANNER OF DISEASE AMONG THE PEOPLE” Then again in Matthew 10:5 to 8, the commission that Jesus gave to the twelve apostles agreed with His own message and ministry, “These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them, saying:

“GO NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES, AND INTO ANY CITY OF THE SAMARITANS ENTER YE NOT: BUT GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. AND AS YE GO, PREACH, SAYING, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. HEAL THE SICK, CLEANSE THE LEPERS, RAISE THE DEAD, CAST OUT DEVILS: FREELY YE HAVE RECEIVED, FREELY GIVE.”

The mission of the Lord Jesus while on this earth was exclusively Jewish. He came to confirm the promises made unto the fathers, and the key to His earthly ministry can only be understood in the light of His own expression found in Matthew 15:24.

“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Therefore, we come to this conclusion, The Lord Jesus began his ministry among the lost sheep of the house of Israel, preaching the gospel of the kingdom with signs following, and the apostles began with the same ministry, Hebrews 2:4, “God also bearing them witness, both with signs and. wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will.”

The gospel of the kingdom was not an unexpected message to the Jews, for were they not looking forward to the coming of the King who would bring the realization of their Kingdom hopes? The message of the kingdom had been the last word of revelation in the Old Testament, and then after 400 years of silence God spoke again to the same people to whom the prophets had spoken for centuries, and concerning the same land, city, temple and law, etc.

The only difference is this, in the prophets the message is that Christ shall come, and in Matthew the Christ has come. Hebrews 1:1 and 2: “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds”.

Jesus came to His own people, but they received Him not. They rejected and crucified the Lord of Glory. It certainly was true that they knew not the day of their visitation. Luke 19:44.

When Jesus explained His beginning ministry in Luke 4:16 to 19; He quoted from Isaiah, chapter 61:1 and 2, and closed the quotation with the significant expression found in verse 19. He came “to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” In verse 21 He said “this day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears.” and truly He might have said to His listeners, “Now is the accepted time, now is the day of salvation.” The kingdom, long promised, was indeed “at hand”. But Israel would not have this man to reign over then. A little later we hear their cry, “crucify Him.” John 19:14 and 15. But Jesus loved “his own”. He wept over His people and the city of the Great King. In His dying hour, “He made intercession for the transgressors,” (Isaiah 53:12), praying, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”. Luke 23:34.

When we open the Book of Acts and read the first verse we find that instead of the beginning of something new we have a continuation of something already made known. Acts 1:1 “The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus BEGAN to do and to teach.” Jesus began as a minister of the circumcision. Here in the Book of Acts we find the risen Christ continuing His ministry, and His message is still related to the Abrahamic and Davidic promises, hopes, and people. After forty days of instruction the disciples ask Jesus a direct question, Acts 1:6, “Wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” When Jesus replied He did not tell them that they had misunderstood Him and that He was then going to call out “the Church which is His Body”. No, that Church had nothing to do with a confirmation ministry. The Body was not a subject of which the prophets wrote. They were silent and ignorant of that mystery which had been hid for ages and generations, Colossians 1:26. He told them that it was not for them “to know the times or the seasons which the Father hath put in His own power.” Acts 1:7. They were to be witnesses for Him. Witnesses to what? we might ask. Read Acts 2:36—Acts 5:31 and 32 for the answer.

Before we go any further it might be well to inquire why did the disciples ask such a question in reference to the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel? Had Jesus given any reason at all to suspect that such a thing might take place? I think so, for the disciples did not ask the question until Jesus had mentioned the Spirit Baptism in Acts 1:5 “For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence,” and this would naturally bring the thought of kingdom restoration to the disciples. Notice with me, Isaiah 32:1 “Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness and princes shall rule in judgment. . . (Isaiah 32:13) upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briers . . . (Isaiah 32:15) until the spirit be poured upon us from on high . . . (Isaiah 32:16) then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.

Isaiah 44:3, “I will pour my Spirit upon thy seed and my blessing upon thine offspring.” When the Spirit came upon the disciples on the Day of Pentecost, Peter quoted Joel as an explanation of what had taken place. Acts 2:16 and 17. “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel and it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh” . . . . Therefore, the disciples asked a proper question in reference to Israel’s restoration at the time Jesus mentioned the baptism with the Holy Ghost. Jesus said unto them, ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you and ye shall be witnesses. Again we ask the question, witnesses to what? Was Jesus telling them the baptism of the Holy Spirit would make them members of His Body?

Peter on the day of Pentecost made the astounding declaration that Jesus Christ had been raised from the dead to sit on the throne of David. Acts 2:30. In chapter 3:19 to 21 he made a national appeal to the Jewish people, declaring that national repentance would bring national deliverance and the restoration promised to Israel through the prophets. In verse 24 the Word of God is very definite, “Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.” Therein was the answer to their question, “wilt Thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” What did that have to do with Jew and Gentile in the Body?

In summing up, I am sure you will agree with me that the risen ministry of Jesus, witnessed to by the disciples was a ministry of confirmation. Acts 5:29 to 32: “Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.” The language in this 32nd verse is very specific, we are His witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost. So if the Holy Ghost is giving this message through the apostles, criticism is a very serious thing. Let us turn to Acts 3:24 again, where “these days” were the subject of prophecy and compare with the “these days” in Ephesians 3:9, “which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God.” This ministry of the Apostle Paul was called the mystery, “hid from ages and generations.” Colossians 1:26.

If Peter’s message on the day of Pentecost is not the same as Paul’s message as given in Ephesians and Colossians, why do Christians insist on disregarding the injunction of Philippians 1:10 where we are told to distinguish between the things that differ? Why do Fundamentalist Bible teachers, in the face of these Scriptural distinctions, tell us that the Church, which is His Body, began on the day of Pentecost? Peter’s message was a message of confirmation. Paul’s mystery message was one of revelation.

In Paul’s first Epistles he confirmed to Israel many things which the prophets had foretold and that which Christ and the Twelve had confirmed. But after Israel’s judgment pronounced by Paul in Acts 28:25 to 28, that apostle to the Gentiles declared many new and glorious truths unknown to the Old Testament prophets or the New Testament apostles. He wants you to obey and pass on to others Ephesians 3:9. What are you doing about it?

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What does 2 Timothy 1:15 mean?

Important pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture verses

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1599 Geneva Bible
13 I would not brethren, have you ignorant concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus is dead, and is risen, even so them which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with him.
15 For this say we unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which live, and are remaining in the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which sleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then shall we which live and remain, be caught up with them also in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore, comfort yourselves one another with these words.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 1599 Geneva Bible
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
'the day of Christ' is the RAPTURE and 'departing' is the RAPTURE

1 Corinthians 15:50-52 1599 Geneva Bible
50 This say I, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I show you a secret thing, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall blow, and the dead shall be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Philippians 3:20-21 1599 Geneva Bible
20 But our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Savior, even the Lord Jesus Christ,
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working, whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Titus 2:13 1599 Geneva Bible
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and appearing of that glory of that mighty God, and of our Savior Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 2:19 1599 Geneva Bible
19 For what is our hope or joy, or crown of rejoicing? are not even you it in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

1 Thessalonians 5:9 1599 Geneva Bible
9 For God hath not appointed us unto wrath, but to obtain salvation by the means of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Only Revelation 19:14 mentions the members of the Body of Christ AFTER the rapture and at the time of the Second Coming of JESUS Christ:
Revelation 19:14 1599 Geneva Bible
14 And the hosts which were in heaven, followed him upon white horses, clothed with fine linen white and pure.

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HanssSeptember 10, 2020 at 3:19 PM

Yes, that's what many pre-tribulation-rapture teachers say, and I was influenced too by them for many years, but after I discovered the true Gospel of Grace in 2015 I learned that also the first three chapters of the book of Revelation are not about the Body of Christ.

I learned the pre-tribulation-rapture doctrine from Hal Lindsey and the late Tim LaHaye through their books in 1984 and later I discovered (Dutch) end times magazines and they all teach that doctrine of the first three chapters of Revelation that are (supposedly) about the Body of Christ, but after I discovered the Gospel of Grace I started to dislike those magazines, because they all have a December 'Christmas' release, and I learned that 'Christmas' has nothing to do with the birth of our Lord and Savior JESUS Christ, but everything with the birth of Tammuz (in the Bible) and the worship of the Babylonian 'sungod', organized by the Roman Catholic church.

So I became more critical of those magazines, and when I finally learned that the entire book of Revelation is not about us, I canceled my subscription to those magazines.

I don't need them anymore, because Paul is my teacher

I learned that mostly thanks to Robert Breaker.

Thanks to the late Tim LaHaye I believe that the rapture will happen before the fulfillment of Ezechiel 38/39, because that's about Israel and has nothing to do with the Body of Christ.

The Body of Christ was a MYSTERY and ONLY revealed by our Lord JESUS to Paul and NO ONE ELSE!
So the apostle John DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT when he wrote the book of Revelation!
But God-the Lord JESUS did give him a GLIMPSE of us (the Body of Christ) and that's in Revelation 19:4

Revelation 19:14 King James Version
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Those armies (hosts in the Geneva Bible) are us!!!
John didn't know that, but of course now he knows.
The entire phenomenon of the Body of Christ (I don't use the word 'church') is nothing but a MIRACLE!

The fact that we are saved is a MIRACLE.
We used to be outsiders, but 'thanks' to the fact that Israel REJECTED their own Messiah, we could become saved.

After the rapture our Lord JESUS will continue with his own people, and of course you know that.
There's NOTHING that needs to be fulfilled before the rapture will occur.

Everything that's happening now is what Satan is doing, and of course he's is opposed by JESUS, because He's the restrainer through the Holy Spirit within HIS Body of Christ.

That's why we NEED to get OUT OF THE WAY, or else the rest of the prophecies concerning Israel and the world can't be fulfilled!
The pretribulation-rapture (pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture) is a PROPHETIC NECESSITY!
And of course you know that already.

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NTEB Mod Hans S • an hour ago

Well yes, but we do see the Church Age in total form chapters 1-3, and then we reappear in Revelation 19 at the Marriage of the Lamb to us, the Bride!
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Hans S NTEB • 10 minutes ago

Please read this article without prejudice because it's from a brother who believes in the pre-tribulation-rapture: The Seven Churches of Revelation
Matthew McGee http://www.matthewmcgee.org/7church.html
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HanssSeptember 24, 2020 at 6:16 PM

Sister Nancy, we're not the Bride of JESUS: we are HIS BODY and He's the head of THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Saved Israel will be the Bride.

When we come back with our leader JESUS we'll witness that one third of God's people in the land of Israel will acknowledge WHO JESUS is: THEIR MASHIACH=MESSIAH=CHRIST!

Zechariah 13:8-9 King James Version

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as

silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call

on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they

shall say, The Lord is my God.

Zechariah 12:9-14 King James Version

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of

Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look

upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one

mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one

that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of

David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan

apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

Revelation 1:7 King James Version

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which

pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

Even so, Amen.

"every eye shall see him" AT ONCE is not possible on a globe earth, but it is possible on a flat and round earth with a firmament.

Only Revelation 19:14 mentions the members of the Body of Christ AFTER the rapture and at the time of the Second Coming of JESUS Christ:

Revelation 19:14 King James Version

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

That beautiful picture refers to this verse.....that's JESUS with US, the saved members of the Body of Christ.
Download it and rename it into 'JESUS returning'

A blessed (whatever) time of the day!

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Hans S Nancy Drew • 7 hours ago

Thanks for treating me as a BROTHER......SISTER Nancy!
See you soon at the Judgment Seat of Christ, because anyone who will be there IS SAVED.
Others go to the Great White Throne Judgment and that's REALLY BAD.
We will be there too, but as co-judges of the the Lord JESUS!
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Nancy Drew Hans S • 7 hours ago

My pleasure... Brother Hans. My wish is that we can stay united because as we both know the lost have a horrible future if they dont come to Jesus. Our time is running out. Thank you for that beautiful picture of the Bride returning with King Jesus. Wow. That would look beautiful on my wall! Jesus loves you and I love you too Hans! Jesus has us in the palm of his hand. Never forget that. Have a blessed night. Rest in the Lord. ........ND
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HanssDecember 3, 2020 at 3:43 AM
The Body of Christ: Confirmation or Revelation?
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HanssDecember 3, 2020 at 12:22 PM
I've read that article and this is what I believe: at Pentecost the Body of Christ DID NOT YET EXIST.
Pentecost was for the JEWS and NOT for the GENTILES!
Paul calls himself SEVERAL times the apostles of the Gentiles.
Conclusion: the Body of Christ started with the salvation by JESUS of Paul.
Paul was the only one and the first who revealed this MYSTERY, the Body of Christ.
As a former atheist I totally dislike the word 'church'.
Unfortunately this word is in both the Geneva Bible and the KJV.
I'm Dutch and the Dutch word for 'church' (kerk) can only be found in the Dutch CATHOLIC 'bible'.
In the Dutch PROTESTANT Bible we read the English word for ASSEMBLY.
So local gatherings of saved believers in the Lord JESUS are assemblies or congregations.
The word 'church' has associations with CHURCH BUILDINGS, CHURCH BELLS, CHURCH TOWERS etc. as if the Body of Christ is characterized by such buildings, but I can assure you that when I was an atheist I didn't want anything to do with it.....and JESUS...because I thought (like so many people do) that JESUS and 'churches' (church buildings) belong to each other.
How tragic!
The first gatherings of saved believers in the Lord JESUS were AT HOME!
But religious people always try to change it into something else.
The best gatherings I've had in my life were at the HOME (large former farmhouse) of a fellow believer in JESUS.
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Sherry Hans S • 8 hours ago

Excellent. Here is another article
https://www.churchgrowth.cc/Seven_Churches_of_Revelation.htm
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HanssDecember 3, 2020 at 2:28 PM
OF COURSE the book of Revelation is FOR us, as is the ENTIRE Bible, but it's not said TO us, but to Israel and to those who will be on earth after the rapture.

Our sense of urgency for the lost should be the KNOWLEDGE about something MUCH WORSE than the great tribulation: the LAKE OF FIRE!

We ALL deserve to go there and we ALL can be SAVED from that fate by God's UNDESERVED Gift of Grace through FAITH ALONE in the BLOOD of JESUS that was shed for the REMISSION of our SINS and His RESURRECTION from the dead, three days later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omS7QP5x--U

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BuffaloBillyT Hans S • 10 hours ago

While Revelation is Daniel's 70th week and the key to bringing to fruition Daniel 9:27, it is indeed for the Church to know so that we can take from the prophecies of this book, hopefully get a sense of urgency for the lost, and ramp up our witnessing to them and our lost family members. Yes, the Church will noticeably be absent during this time span, but almost the entire population of the planet earth, which will be about 99% gentile, will enter this time of devastation. All of the Holy Bible is for all people all of the time as it is God's good will that non should perish. Shalom, BuffaloBilly
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HanssApril 7, 2021 at 2:39 AM
The Lord JESUS wasn't addressing us in the book of Revelation!

Take for example this:

Revelation 3:12 King James Version

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

This is not meant for saved members of the Body of Christ!

Rightly dividing the Word is the goal of this article, and it is an indispensable key to proper understanding of the Bible. The abundance of scriptural evidence detailed in the third section makes it very clear that Revelation is doctrine for Israel, which was written to Jews who believed in Jesus Christ, by an apostle of the circumcision, for direct application in the prophetic "kingdom" dispensation. At the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, God placed that dispensation in abeyance in 70 AD, to be resumed in the future tribulation.

The entire book of Revelation, including chapters 1-3, is deeply rooted in Old Testament prophecy. It is doctrinally aligned with the epistles of Peter, James, John, and Jude, all of whom were apostles of the circumcision, as well as to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, and the Old Testament.

The dispensation of grace in which we now live is revealed in Romans through Philemon, our Apostle Paul's letters to the Gentiles, with Acts being the book of transition between the two dispensations.

Source: The Seven Churches of Revelation
Matthew McGee http://www.matthewmcgee.org/7church.html
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HanssApril 7, 2021 at 3:31 AM
Revelation 3 is absolutely NOT about the 'protestant church' and that Roman Catholic word 'church' is only to be found in the Geneva Bible and the King James Bible and in the Dutch ROMAN CATHOLIC 'bible', but NOT in the Dutch PROTESTANT Bible, because then the Dutch word for 'ASSEMBLY' is used.

William Tyndale was very wise and he used the word CONGREGATION in his translation of the New Testament, and unfortunately the translators of the later Geneva Bible and the later King James Bible used the CATHOLIC word 'church' again.

The 'Dutch KJV' is the "Statenvertaling' (States translation) of 1637 and you will NOT find the Dutch word for 'church' (kerk) in that PROTESTANT translation.

But you will find it in the Dutch CATHOLIC 'bible'.

And when JESUS said that He will come like a thief in the night He was NOT referring to the rapture!

The Day of Christ vs The Day of the Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhlkUxAVaSk

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BuffaloBillyT Phil • 7 hours ago

We are commanded to be watchful. This is given to the Church of Sardis in Rev 3. The Church of Sardis is a typology of the Protestant church and if you read the text, it really describes today's Protestant churches. The command to be watchful or to watch is given about 20 times in scripture and is mostly New Testament. Is this dogmatic...no. But it is something to be keenly aware of. There is a crown for watching...2 Tim 4:8. This is the crown that JESUS warns the faithful Church of Philadelphia to "see that no man take thy crown" (Rev 3:11). Preterism and any rapture doctrine other than a pre-trib rapture allow a man's crown for watching to be taken from him...especially if he is ignorant of that particular verse. Another piece of scripture has JESUS warning that he will come like a "thief in the night". Now this is not the 2nd coming because scripture says that "every eye shall see him". Therefore, this must be the rapture where he comes like a thief in the night. To those who are watching, this will not happen; to those who are asleep at the wheel or don't believe in the rapture...they will miss this. Study the Galileean Wedding ceremony and it is a picture of the rapture. It is not what I say, Phil...it is what scripture says so I reckon the succinct answer to your question is yes. Shalom, BuffaloBilly
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HanssApril 7, 2021 at 5:03 AM

No, I'm not debating semantics and the Catholic word 'church' was one of the reasons why I was an atheist, because I associated the word 'church' with CHURCH BUILDINGS, CHURCH BELLS, CHURCH TOWERS, CHURCH ORGANS, CHURCH PEWS, CHURCH PEOPLE which have NOTHING to do with JESUS!
And now during 'corona' it shows how WORTHLESS 'churches' are because most of them are CLOSED, and those that are open have to abide by the SATANIC corona rules.

JESUS comes as a thief in the night for the UNSAVED!

Every eye shall see Him is ONLY possible on the Biblical STATIONARY flat and round earth with a firmament and not on the Roman Catholic, Helio(Helios is sun-worship)centric spinning globe in 'space'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2WgBnYIrog

Your interpretation of the Holy Spirit is wrong and the Holy Spirit is JESUS in spiritual capacity.
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Phil BuffaloBillyT • 35 minutes ago

I don't think those unaware will be penalized with exclusion. Brand new believers might barely even comprehend what happened on the cross, but they are part of the body of Christ.

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Hans S Phil • 3 minutes ago

What are 'brand new believers?
Either we are SAVED or UNSAVED and MANY unsaved are also BELIEVERS!

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BuffaloBillyT Hans S • 42 minutes ago

The word that translates as "congregation" also translates as "church". The words "congregation", "Church", and "assembly all mean the same thing. You are debating semantics. Revelation 3 has four churches in it: Thyatira is the Catholic church; Sardis is the Protestant church; Philadelphia is the faithful Church of believers that gets raptured; Laodicea is the apostate church of men that infests the Tribulation. In the 2nd coming of JESUS, scripture says that "Every eye shall see Him...". When JESUS comes like a thief in the night, that can only be the rapture. You rely too much on what others teach...rely on the Holy Spirit. Shalom, BuffaloBilly
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HanssApril 7, 2021 at 5:26 AM

It makes sense to JESUS Christ.
Catholics are also believers and they are UNSAVED, to give an example.

ARE YOU SAVED from having to burn forever in God's lake of fire?

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Phil BuffaloBillyT • an hour ago

I don't think those unaware will be penalized with exclusion. Brand new believers might barely even comprehend what happened on the cross, but they are part of the body of Christ.
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BuffaloBillyT Phil • 18 minutes ago

That is a good point and has to be considered. Babes in Christ would clearly have to get a pass. John refers to them as "little children in 1 John. But John also addresses young men and fathers and to these God might hold to a higher standard. "To whom much is given, much is required". Thanks for the input. Shalom, BuffaloBilly
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Hans S BuffaloBillyT • 2 minutes ago

1 John is not addressed to the saved members of the Body of Christ.
Romans through Philemon is addressed to the saved members of the Body of Christ and we should read the entire Bible from this perspective.
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Hans S Phil • 29 minutes ago

What are 'brand new believers?
Either we are SAVED or UNSAVED and MANY unsaved are also BELIEVERS!
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BuffaloBillyT Hans S • 18 minutes ago

This makes no sense, Hans.
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HanssApril 7, 2021 at 5:45 AM
Anyone who is SAVED knows that it's about the content of the VERY SIMPLE Gospel of Grace, which we can read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

And JESUS Christ used and uses the flat earth TRUTH to SAVE sinners and this is just one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWwhLO-nkBw

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bblaze David Brooks • a day ago

"He who endures to the END shall be SAVED". - Jesus Christ

Enduring unto the end of this life in a Christ-like continuous lifestyle of Holiness is that sweet blessed assurance.

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Hans S bblaze • 17 hours ago

If you believe things like this you're NOT saved.
Matthew 10:22 King James Version

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved

The Lord JESUS was talking to His own people and not to the saved members of the Body of Christ who didn't yet exist when He spoke these things.
The apostle Paul revealed the Mysterious Body of Christ AFTER the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord JESUS and AFTER His ascension and after the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 and AFTER the Lord JESUS saved him and sealed him with the Holy Spirit.
You believe in the wrong gospel, which will be the right gospel AFTER the rapture of the Body of Christ, seven years prior to the Second Coming of the Lord JESUS Christ.
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Hanss17 January 2022 at 23:03
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You recently said 'I'm starting to think you're a Calvinist' to me.
And now you treat SB the same.
SB is not a Calvinist and the same goes for me.
Now let's go back in time together and it's the year (let's say) 1570.
The most popular Bible in English was the Bible that was made in Geneva, Switzerland, first published in 1560.
The KJV didn't yet exist and the US didn't yet exist.

British colonization of the Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_colonization_of_the_Americas

There were people back then who got saved by hearing or reading the words from the Geneva Bible.
To them there was no need for a newer or 'better' Bible.
This Bible was NOT produced by Jean (he was a Frenchman) 'John' Calvin but by several men INCLUDING John Calvin.

The Holy Bible – Geneva Edition
1st Printing, 1st Edition in 1560
Given back to the people so all may understand

The Geneva Bible was first printed in Geneva, Switzerland, by refugees from England, fleeing the persecution of Protestants by Roman Catholic Queen “Bloody” Mary.
Many copies were smuggled back into England at great personal risk. In later years, when Protestant-friendly Queen Elizabeth took the throne, printing of the Geneva Bible moved back to England. The Geneva Bible was produced by John Calvin, John Knox, Myles Coverdale, John Foxe, and other Reformers. It is the version that William Shakespeare quotes from hundreds of times in his plays, and the first English Bible to offer plain roman-style type in some of its early printings.

The Geneva Bible was the first Bible taken to America, brought over on the
Mayflower… it is the Bible upon which early America and its government was founded (certainly not the King’s of England’s Bible!) The Geneva Bible was also the first English Bible to break the chapters of scripture into numbered verses, and it was the first true “Study Bible” offering extensive commentary notes in the margins. It was so accurate and popular, that a half-century later, when the King James Bible came out… it retained more than 90% of the exact wording of the Geneva Bible.

More: https://greatsite.com/shop/?yith_wcan=1&product_cat=facsimile-reproductions

The Geneva Bible was the “Bible of the Protestant Reformation”, and the Bible of the Puritans and Pilgrims. It was the first Bible taken to America, brought over on the Mayflower. The Geneva Bible is the Bible upon which America was founded. You can imagine, most early American colonists, who were fleeing the religious oppression of the Anglican Church (Church of England), wanted nothing to do with the King James Bible of the Anglican Church!
Textually, the Geneva Bible offered a number of radical never-before-seen changes: It was the first Bible in English to add numbered verses to each chapter of scripture. Also, the Geneva was the first Bible to introduce easier-to-read “Roman Style Typeface” rather than the “Gothic Blackletter Style Typeface” which had been used exclusively in earlier Bibles. Another curious innovation; the Geneva was the first “Study Bible” with extensive commentary notes in the margins.

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Hanss19 January 2022 at 00:30
Where am I? Here and on YouTube
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Hanss20 January 2022 at 14:55
Disqus is controlled by Satan!

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Hans Hans • 17 minutes ago

Disqus says 'We received your request for review' which is a LIE, because I didn't request ANYTHING.
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Hanss20 January 2022 at 14:57
Disqus doesn't want people to know this:
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I posted this and a second later it was flagged as 'spam' or as 'pending', so it's clear to me that Disqus is controlled by the devil.

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Hans • 14 minutes ago

Whistleblower: Hospitals Killing For Organs, "This is Absolutely Evil And A Crime Against Humanity!"

https://ezekiel38departure.blogspot.com/2022/01/davos-in-catacombs-klaus-schwabs-secret.html?showComment=1642686116251#c6351050511826889663
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Hanss28 January 2022 at 06:32
Emperor Nero already began in his time to try to deceive the believers in the Lord JESUS by using a counterfeit of Christian gatherings so that he could arrest them and kill them.

The Vatican is built on the same place where they threw believers in the Lord JESUS for the hungry lions.

The whole purpose of the Holocaust (that word is only found in the Catholic 'bible' and in the Protestant Bible the words used are 'burnt offering') was that a Jewish state could be created in 'Palestine' so that in the future Satan could more easily kill all the Jews at one place, and the Vatican and the Jesuits planned everything from the sinking of the 'Titanic' (it was the sister ship Olympic that sunk https://ezekiel38departure.blogspot.com/2021/12/did-titanic-really-sink-or-was-it.html ) to the establishment of the Vatican bank, the Federal Reserve, the 'first world war', the 'great depression', the rise to power of Jesuit Priest Joseph 'Stalin' and the Catholic dictators Mussolini and Hitler and Franco, while in the meantime FDR was a 33rd degree Freemason and Truman too and also the British leader Churchill, and 33rd degree Freemasons are direct secret servants of the Vatican, and subsequently they used the fake 'atomic bombs' and the fake 'nukes' of the former Soviet Union to start the hoax called the 'Cold war' in order to create fear, and in this situation the Jewish state came into being and its name was not given by Theodore Roosevelt, but by the socialist leaders of Israel themselves during a meeting when they were discussing what name the Jewish state would get, and they couldn't come up with a proper name until someone said 'why don't we just call it Israel?' and Ben-Gurion decided that this was a good idea, because none of them were religious Jews but secular Zionists.

I certainly believe that miracles happened during the war of independence and that Israel was not wiped from the map but instead could increase its territory, though they had to wait till the 'six day war' to unite Jerusalem.
Till that time the US was not a big 'friend' of Israel, and most weapons of the Israelis were non-American, but this changed during the Yom Kippur war of 1973 when the US got more involved and when the war in Vietnam (fought on behalf of the Vatican: https://iuhp.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/avro_manhatten_-_vietnam_why_did_we_go.pdf ) was coming to a close.
The Israeli leadership cooperates with the Vatican and proof of that is the fact that in Israel many people have been 'vaccinated' several times and that Israel is leading the way among western countries in implementing the 'great reset'.

Maybe you have forgotten that Poland also ceased to exist as a country and that after the 'first world war' it came into existence again.

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Hanss29 January 2022 at 15:54
Shannon • 2 days ago • edited

Hans I must respond to this. Paul wrote in Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth
the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised
him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10:10For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation. 10:11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him
shall not be ashamed.

The PAYMENT was made by Jesus- the Gift MUST be ACCEPTED by man- there are no works in acceptance. you are bordering on saying that salvation is automatic based on just reading the words. If 2 people are in a room, both read the words. one accepts them and BELIEVES. one rejects them an walks away- which one ACCEPTED the Gift? or are they now BOTH saved?
Help me understand your mind, Hans, because this is what it sounds like you are saying.

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Hans Shannon • 2 days ago

I hope you clicked on that link, because it was written by Robert Breaker, Bible teacher and evangelist.
If Romans 10:9 would the THE Gospel then all people who can't speak will go lost because they cannot confess with their mouth the Lord JESUS.
What I'm saying is exactly what that short article of Robert Breaker says, so read it and then we can talk further.
If I put it here then some evil person will flag it as spam, which already happened several times.
In the past I could always copy-paste that article to here.
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Hanss8 February 2022 at 08:23

You quoted from the apostle Paul who is the only apostle of the Gentiles and his Gospel is NOT the same as the Gospel the Lord JESUS proclaimed to His OWN people.

The Gospel of GRACE by Paul on behalf of the Lord JESUS is for EVERYONE, both Jews and Gentiles and the Gospel of the KINGDOM for ISRAEL is for Israel only. Gentiles may also believe in this Gospel but then they're not part of the Body of Christ, but then they have chosen to follow the Lord JESUS as if they are Jews.

This also implies they are NOT rapture-ready because they are not a member of the Body of Christ but they've become part of Israel and if you believe like this you may indeed believe you are a Jew.

But if you want to be rapture-ready then you must believe what Paul preached and DON'T mix it with the Gospel of the Kingdom, which you do, because you don't make a distinction between those two Gospels and you call everybody who believes in the Lord JESUS Christ a 'Christian'.

I am not a 'Christian': I am created and SAVED by God-the Lord JESUS and I follow Paul on behalf of the Lord JESUS because the Lord JESUS told me so in HIS Bible:

1 Corinthians 4:16

Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

1 Corinthians 11:1

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Philippians 3:17

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

So it's not WRONG to follow the Lord JESUS Christ directly, and not through Paul, but then you must accept that you're not a member of the Body of Christ but a member of Israel and that you won't take part in the rapture and that you have to go through the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

Those who ARE saved by God's GRACE through FAITH in THE GOSPEL, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ARE sealed with the Holy Spirit and automatically rapture ready.

They don't need to look for 'signs of the end times' because signs are for the Jews.

They know the pre-Times of Jacob's Trouble-rapture, as I call the pre-Tribulation-rapture, MUST happen or else the prophetic word regarding Israel can't be fulfilled.

They ARE looking for that BLESSED HOPE, the rapture, according to

Titus 2:13 King James Version
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

knowing that they are ALWAYS ready, while being awake or asleep and they are encouraged to share this message to everyone, both to fellow believers in the Lord JESUS who aren't saved yet according to the Gospel of Grace and unbelievers.

So my message to you is: you can't have it both ways!
Either you are a member of the spiritual NATION of Israel by following the Lord JESUS directly or you are a member of the Body of Christ, indirectly following the Lord JESUS through Paul.

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Hanss14 March 2022 at 00:40
A Conversation With Peter
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Hanss22 March 2022 at 13:21
Galatians 1:1-12
King James Version

1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

And this is that GOSPEL of the Lord JESUS Christ:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
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1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
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Hanss8 May 2022 at 00:34
Not the day of the Lord but the DAY OF CHRIST.
2 Thessalonians 2:2
King James Version

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The true PROTESTANT translation clearly and plainly states that the DEPARTING = the RAPTURE will happen on de DAY OF CHRIST BEFORE the man of sin is revealed:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1599 Geneva Bible (First publication in 1560)

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,

2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

The STATE SPONSORED Bible of the ANGLICAN CHURCH says SOMETHING ELSE:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
King James Version

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

So where does the CONFUSION comes from?
The KJV!
The RAPTURE happens FIRST and THEN the ANTICHRIST will be revealed.
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Hanss9 July 2022 at 20:14
What does Revelation 6:6 mean?
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Hanss9 December 2022 at 01:08
The Church (the Body of Christ)
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Hanss18 December 2022 at 05:30
False teacher and proclaimer of the wrong Gospel (John 3:16) in this dispensation of Grace has a brand new false doctrine which he is very excited about: Get Your 2023 NTEB Wall Calendar That’s Gorgeously Illustrated And Comes With Our Exclusive ‘Blue Line’ Pretribulation Rapture Spring Timeline

The rapture has nothing to do with Israel at all because the Body of Christ is a separate entity, created by JESUS through Paul.
Only after the rapture, God-the Lord JESUS will again deal with Israel and the Kingdom Gospel will come into force again.

I can add this nonsense from Geoffrey Grider to the growing list of false teachings he is spreading.

I myself asked to be banned from his site after he banned a genuine Gospel of Grace brother from his site and I'm glad I'm no longer a guest at his insane asylum.
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