Nice illustration of the LORD JESUS in Heaven with the seven stars and seven candlesticks = Jewish assemblies in west Asia Minor, nowadays west Turkey, in Revelation 1-3 and these assemblies no longer exist.

 

Understanding the Book of Revelation

Introduction

Revelation is a confusing book to most people despite the many commentaries written. The reason most commentaries fail to enlighten the book’s contents is because they violate one or more of the three basic principles of sound biblical interpretation. These are the following: 1) acceptance of the Scriptures as God-breathed (θεόπνευστος), 2) correct placement of the text within the framework of God’s progressive revelation, and 3) sound and consistent hermeneutic or interpretative method.

The first word of the book is “revelation” (ἀποκάλυψις)–hence its title. The word means to “unveil,” or “reveal.” The first phrase of the book is (Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ) “Revelation of Jesus Christ.” The “revelation of Jesus Christ” should be interpreted as both a subjective and an objective genitive. The book reveals Jesus Christ, the God of the Bible, in His role during the Tribulation and as King of Kings (subjective genitive) and is the revelation from Jesus about the events that will transpire during the Tribulation and afterwards (objective genitive).

 

God wishes us to understand His Word (cf. Revelation 1.3). The goal of this study is to reveal to whom the book was written and the purpose of the book.

 

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Monday, August 31, 2020

The Bride of Christ

The Bride of Christ

Introduction

Most churches in Christendom teach the Church is the “bride of Christ.” But the phrase “bride of Christ” does not occur in the Bible. Furthermore, the imagery of the Church as bride is thin at best. The goal of this study is to examine whether the teaching that the Church, the body of Christ, is the bride of Christ has Biblical merit.

The Bride in the Old Testament

In the Old Testament, the idea of Israel as the “wife” of God is developed. Though Israel was “married” to God she proved an unfaithful spouse. The nation’s unfaithfulness was expressed as spiritual adultery: it deserted Him for false gods, e.g., Baal, Asherah, Molech, Dagon, etc. Despite these failures, God declared the nation would return to Him, that they would become what He had purposed for them, and that He would fulfill His covenant promises to them. According to God’s promise, the entire nation would become priests (Exodus 19.6) and a faithful wife. With this in mind, Isaiah wrote:

⁴ “Fear not, for you will not be put to shame; and do not feel humiliated, for you will not be disgraced; but you will forget the shame of your youth, and the reproach of your widowhood you will remember no more. ⁵ “For your husband is your Maker, whose name is the LORD of hosts; and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, who is called the God of all the earth. ⁶ “For the LORD has called you, like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit, even like a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” says your God. ⁷ “For a brief moment I forsook you, but with great compassion I will gather you. ⁸ “In an outburst of anger I hid My face from you for a moment, but with everlasting lovingkindness I will have compassion on you,” says the LORD your Redeemer (Isaiah 54.4-8).

¹ For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not keep quiet, until her righteousness goes forth like brightness, and her salvation like a torch that is burning. ² The nations will see your righteousness, and all kings your glory; and you will be called by a new name which the mouth of the Lord will designate. ³ You will also be a crown of beauty in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of your God. ⁴ It will no longer be said to you, “Forsaken,” nor to your land will it any longer be said, “Desolate”; but you will be called, “My delight is in her,” and your land, “Married”; for the Lord delights in you, and to Him your land will be married. ⁵ For as a young man marries a virgin, so your sons will marry you; and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so your God will rejoice over you (Isaiah 62.1-5).

Jeremiah wrote:

“Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion (Jeremiah 3.14).

³¹ “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, ³² not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. ³³ “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people (Jeremiah 31.31-33).

God used the prophet Hosea’s personal life as an object lesson to instruct idolatrous Israel. To present His case, God told Hosea to marry an idolatrous woman,¹ to represent Israel’s faithlessness in serving other gods. Hosea had three children by his wife, Gomer. Their names depicted God’s judgment of the nation. The first child, a son, was named Jezreel (God scatters). God judged (scattered) the northern kingdom with the Assyrian invasion (722 B.C.). The second child was a daughter named Lo-ruhama (not pitied) and the third child, a son, was named Lo-ammi (not my people). But God’s disfavor would be temporary. He promised that the nation would repent of its unfaithfulness and return to Him. Hosea wrote:

¹⁴ “Therefore, behold, I will allure her, bring her into the wilderness and speak kindly to her. ¹⁵ “Then I will give her her vineyards from there, and the valley of Achor as a door of hope. And she will sing there as in the days of her youth, as in the day when she came up from the land of Egypt. ¹⁶ “It will come about in that day,” declares the LORD, “That you will call Me Ishi and will no longer call Me Baali. ¹⁷ “For I will remove the names of the Baals from her mouth, so that they will be mentioned by their names no more. ¹⁸ “In that day I will also make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, the birds of the sky and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish the bow, the sword and war from the land, and will make them lie down in safety. ¹⁹ “I will betroth you to Me forever; Yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice, in lovingkindness and in compassion, ²⁰ And I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness. Then you will know the LORD (Hosea 2.14-20).

In this tender passage, God is seen as a courting lover. He “allures” the object of His love and speaks kindly to her. The passage speaks of a refreshed relationship in which His wife (Israel) will call Him  אִישִׁי “my husband,” “my man” (Ishi) instead of בַּעְלִי “my Lord.” Baal (בַּעַל) was one of the false gods Israel discovered when they came into the land of Canaan (Numbers 22.41; Judges 2.13). In the prophecy of this restored relationship, in which God will put His Spirit into the nation (Jeremiah 31.31-40), the animal kingdom will also be at peace (Isaiah 11.6-9) and war will be no more (Isaiah 2.1-4). This renewed betrothal will be eternal and Israel will know the Lord–the One True God.²

The Bride in Revelation

The book of Revelation reads like an Old Testament book. And for good reason. Most of its symbols and imagery are found in the prophets. To a discerning reader, it should be clear that Jesus’ messages to the assemblies (ἐκκλησία) in Revelation 2-3 were not Christian, i.e., Pauline churches. The language the Lord used towards them has no correspondence to the language or the concepts Paul had received and communicated to Christian churches. John wrote to these seven Jewish assemblies to encourage them in the tribulation they were experiencing (cf. Revelation 1.9). Of the seven cities Jesus mentioned, only three are found elsewhere in the Bible: Ephesus (Acts 18.19, 21, 24, 19.1, 17, 26, 35, 20.16, 17; 1 Corinthians 15.32, 16.8, Ephesians 1.1, 1 Timothy 1.3; 2 Timothy 1.18, 4.12), Thyatira (Acts 16.14), and Laodicea (Colossians 2.1, 4.13, 15-16; 1 Timothy 6.21). We have no information about Smyrna, Pergamon, Sardis, or Philadelphia. The events of Revelation remain future. Those who have attempted to make church history correspond with the messages to these churches (historicists–see below example) or worse, have tried to fit the events into a pre-70 A.D. timeframe (preterists), have replaced sound exegesis with fantasy.

The character of these assemblies is Jewish. No Church, i.e., body of Christ, doctrine is present in them. The Lord’s message to them is wholly different from the language He gave to Paul for the body of Christ. No hint of the gospel or the doctrines of grace may be found in Jesus’ words to these assemblies. Jesus’ refrain is “he who has an ear, let him hear” and His command is to persevere and endure. None of this is present in Paul. The warnings Jesus gave the assemblies echo His warnings to the Twelve on the Mount of Olives. In that address, He warned them not to be deceived and to endure to the end (Matthew 24.4, 11, 24, 13). The great temptation that will confront Israel, as well as the world, during the period of time foretold by Revelation, will be to accept a false Messiah. This will involve the worship of Satan, the beast (Satan’s man, the Antichrist), the Antichrist’s image, and the taking of his mark (Revelation 13.4, 8, 15, 16-17). Jesus’ refrain to the seven assemblies is repeated in Revelation 13.9. In Revelation 14.9-11, God’s angel warned of the consequences of submitting to the temptation. Revelation 14.12 describes the “patience,” “perseverance,” or “endurance” (ὑπομονή) Jesus described in the Jewish assemblies in Revelation 2.3, 19, 3.10. During this period of time salvation is possible only through endurance (Matthew 24.13). Jesus’ words about salvation during this period are as straightforward as words can be: only by enduring to the end, i.e., the end of one’s life (martyrdom) or until He returns is salvation possible.

Since the book is primarily about Israel and reads like the Old Testament, one conclusion remains: that is what it is. The bride of Revelation 19 is Israel, not the Church, the body of Christ, since the Church is nowhere in the book. John wrote:

⁷ Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” ⁸ It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. ⁹ then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb’” (Revelation 19.7-9).

In the marriage of the Lamb, we read that the bride has made herself ready. Does this sound like the Church, the body of Christ? Paul declared members of the body of Christ have been made complete in Christ (ἐστὲ ἐν αὐτῷ πεπληρωμένοι, Colossians 2.10). The Church needs no “preparation.” We are complete in Him! No, the bride here is Israel and the “marriage of the Lamb” is the reconciliation of Israel with God which the prophets foretold.

In Revelation 21, John described a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21.1) to replace the old heaven and earth which had departed (ἀπέρχομαι). Along with the new heaven and earth is the new Jerusalem. It comes down from heaven onto the new earth (Revelation 21.2). John described the city as a bride adorned for her husband. In Revelation 21.9, one of the seven angels of the seven bowls showed John the bride, called the wife of the Lamb. This was the new Jerusalem. Again, everything is Jewish. The city has twelve gates with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel written on them (Revelation 21.12). The twelve foundation stones have the names of the twelve apostles (Revelation 21.14; cf. Matthew 19.28). Nothing of the Church is here.

Israel had both an earthly and a heavenly calling. They were called out from among the nations of the earth and given earthly promises, e.g., a kingdom and preeminence among the nations (Deuteronomy 28.1, 13). But they had a heavenly calling also, described in Hebrews 3.1 that began with Abraham, cf. Hebrews 11.8-10. Abraham anticipated (ἐκδέχομαι) a heavenly city. How much he knew of it is unknown. But he looked for a heavenly city. The new Jerusalem of Revelation 21 was that city.

The first two callings pertain to Israel. The third calling is for the Church, the body of Christ (Ephesians 1.18; 2 Timothy 1.9). God’s promises to the Church are wholly heavenly, not earthly (Ephesians 1.3, 2.6; Philippians 3.20).

Paul and the Bride of Christ?

Paul taught that the Church was the body of Christ (Ephesians 1.22-23; Colossians 1.18, 24) and that believers become members of His body through the baptism of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12.13). This revelation was one of the “secrets” (μυστήριον) the glorified Lord revealed to Paul alone. Paul was the only writer of Scripture who taught that the Church was the body of Christ. He declared that before him this truth was not known (Ephesians 3.3-7).

We have established that the Scriptures teach that the Church is the body of Christ. How is it most of Christendom teaches the Church is the bride of Christ? Two passages have been used to make this argument. They are the following:

2 Corinthians 11.2

For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

Read out of context, this passage may appear to support the idea that the Church is the bride of Christ. But the verses that follow correct such wandering. Paul continued,

³ But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. ⁴ For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. ⁵ For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles. ⁶ But even if I am unskilled in speech, yet I am not so in knowledge; in fact, in every way we have made this evident to you in all things (2 Corinthians 11.3-6).

Paul’s point was to encourage the Corinthians to remain faithful to Christ and his gospel (1 Corinthians 15.1-4). Paul constantly had to defend his ministry–from both unbelievers and believers. From his words in this passage, he recognized he was not the most polished speaker. But in terms of knowledge, he was far ahead of anyone else: he was God’s apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11.13). The risen Lord had commissioned him and revealed to him secrets no one else knew.³ Paul’s choice of words to the Corinthians, “present you as a pure virgin” was to illustrate his desire for holy living for these believers, not to teach that the Church is the bride of Christ–any more than Paul taught that he was their mother (Galatians 4.19) or their father (1 Corinthians 4.15).

Ephesians 5.22-33

²² Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. ²³ For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. ²⁴ But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. ²⁵ Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, ²⁶ so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, ²⁷ that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. ²⁸ So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; ²⁹ for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, ³⁰ because we are members of His body. ³¹ FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. ³² This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. ³³ Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.

In the passage above, Paul argued that as a husband is the head of a wife, Christ is the head of the Church. This fit with Paul’s teaching that the Church is the body of Christ with Christ Himself as the Head (Ephesians 1.22; Colossians 1.18). Paul noted that husbands should love their wives as their own bodies (v. 28) because no one ever hated his own flesh (v.29). One nourishes his body and cherishes it (v.29). It is this nourishing and care of a husband for his own body that Paul used to make the analogy regarding Christ’s care for His Church, i.e., His body (v. 29-30). Paul quoted Genesis 2.24, not to make a point about the husband/wife relationship or that the Church is the bride of Christ but to emphasize the unity and care for the body. Paul declared this was a great “secret” (μυστήριον) but that he spoke with reference to Christ and His Church (v. 32).

Since the Church is the body of Christ it means that if Christ is the bridegroom we are part of His groomsmanship. Thus, we are of the bridegroom, not the bride!

Conclusion

Wife and bride are titles that belong to Israel, not the Church. Our title is “the body of Christ.” As the body, we are of the bridegroom, not the bride. If you cannot tell the bridegroom from the bride at a marriage it is going to be a confusing wedding. But God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14.33). He wishes believers to understand who they are, where they fit in His plan, and what promises belong to them. When we do, we can rejoice in the grace God has given to us and serve and honor Him effectively.

¹ Hosea’s wife אֵשֶׁת זְנוּנִים (Hosea 1.2) was most likely an idolater, not a physical prostitute. This is what seems to be indicated in Hosea 2.8, 13, 3.1, 4.12-19, etc. God used Hosea’s personal life to address the spiritual adultery of the nation, their unfaithfulness to God as Israel’s husband.
² See the author’s study, The One True God.
³ See the author’s study, Paul’s “Mystery”.

©2012 Don Samdahl. Anyone is free to reproduce this material and distribute it, but it may not be sold.

Updated January 4, 2014

The woman in Revelation 12 is ISRAEL and the REMNANT thereof

 

The woman of Revelation 12 is NOT Mary.!!! If so, shes pregnant again.

 The REMNANT of God's chosen people:

Zechariah 13:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

⁸ And in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off, and die: but the third shall be left therein.

⁹ And I will bring that third part through the fire, and will fine them as the silver is fined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my Name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people, and they shall say, The Lord* is my God.

*Lord=YHWH=I AM that I AM and 'I AM' is God and JESUS means 'I AM SALVATION'.

 

Who is the "woman" described in Revelation 12:1-6? 

 

Revelation 12 - The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon

 

 

Who's the woman of Revelation 12

 

SATAN'S GREAT LIE - Replacement Theology 

 

 

 

Get Paul: Apostle of Secrets (on behalf of JESUS!)

 

 

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   HanssAugust 31, 2020 at 10:17 AM

   The Lord JESUS is not going to marry Himself.

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   HanssAugust 31, 2020 at 10:29 AM

   Bible Conference: Meridian, Idaho, May 19, 2018

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   HanssAugust 31, 2020 at 11:17 AM
   
   @Doctrine Yes, no translation is perfect and I'm Dutch and I can say the same about Dutch translations.
   The English translation I prefer is the Geneva Bible 1599, but I will never become a Geneva Bible-onlyist, because this translation is also not perfect.
   The Dutch translation I prefer is the Statenvertaling (States translation) and not the revised version, but the original, though I use to revised version to better understand the original.
   The Geneva Bible 1599 is also a revised version of the original version from 1560 in older spelling.
   I consider the KJV to be the counterfeit of the Geneva Bible 1560 and later versions, which was IMMENSE popular during that time and King James didn't like that at all and not only because of the footnotes but also because of the way the Geneva Bible translated several words and verses from the original manuscripts in Hebrew and Greek.
   Yet, the KJV SEEMS to be a lot like the Geneva Bible because the 'translators' of the KJV just copied most of it, but they changed quite a few words and verses.
   This article is very informative about it: The Geneva English Bible: The Shocking Truth http://www.tyndale.org/tsj21/daniell.html
   I give another important example:
   Matthew 25:46 1599 Geneva Bible
   46 And these shall go into everlasting pain, and the righteous into life eternal.
   The KJV changed it into:
   Matthew 25:46 King James Version
   46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
   Everlasting pain can only ONE thing and 'everlasting punishment' can ALSO mean annihilationism, which is unbiblical.
   
   
   Hans S
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   @Don Samdahl The Greek text.
   
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   Craig Roberts
   Craig Roberts
   2 years ago
   Don, have you read The Forging of Codex Sinaiticus by Dr Bill Cooper ?
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   Doctrine
   Doctrine
   2 years ago
   No, I am not familiar with this work.
   Craig Roberts
   Craig Roberts
   2 years ago
   I'd recommend it. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are 19th century forgeries.
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   HanssAugust 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM
   Doctrine
   2 years ago
   Thank you.
   mobymagg
   mobymagg
   2 years ago
   Doctrine I just discovered this channel and your website and I am astonished that on your website you link to the nasb modern perversion rather than the KJV. Look up 1 John 5:7 in your nasb and it has been omitted (among many other doctrinal changes). Here's a great chart: https://333wordsofgrace.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/bible-versions-diagram.pdf showing why the KJV is the Bible to use.
   Doctrine
   Doctrine
   2 years ago
   mobymagg
   The KJV is based upon the Majority Text (MT) but is there are differences between it and the MT. The KJV is a good translation but it is a translation. It is not without error. No translation is without error. The subject of textual criticism is complex and cannot be resolved with facile statements. Some of the readings in the NASB are more correct than what are found in the KJV. One must examine variant readings carefully and not simply depend upon any one translation.
   mobymagg
   mobymagg
   2 years ago
   So what you're saying is that you, a man, can decide what it says....in other words you trust yourself, not the inerrant, preserved word of God! You have made yourself the authority. You get to pick and choose. So, ultimately you are the authority, not God, is what you're saying. God gave us an inerrant Bible. https://av1611.com/kjbp/
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   mobymagg
   God has given us His witnesses. The autographs were God-breathed. What we have are copies. In the process of copying errors were made. The KJV is not God-breathed. It is a creation of man. It was written in English. The Scriptures were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The KJV has some errors just like every other translation. The KJV only view is a perversion of Dean Burton’s view: “We believe that all the verses in the King James Version belong in the Old and the New Testaments because they represent words we believe were in the original texts, although there might be other renderings from the original languages which could also be acceptable to us today. For an exhaustive study of any of the words or verses in the Bible, we urge the student to return directly to the Traditional Masoretic Hebrew Text and the Traditional Received Greek Text rather than to any other translation for help.” (Dean Burgon Society “Articles of Faith,” November, 1978) .
   mobymagg
   mobymagg
   2 years ago
   I disagree. Please see this: https://av1611.com/kjbp/blog/video-inspiration-the-original-autographs-only/
   Doctrine
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   2 years ago
   mobymagg
   It’s a free country. But I know of many cases in which the KJV translators made errors.
   mobymagg
   mobymagg
   2 years ago
   No one has ever proven that there are errors and contradictions in the KJV. And this is a FABLE: The modern translations are more accurate because they have been translated from older and better manuscripts. And here is another FABLE: The King James Bible cannot be infallible because the translators were only men, and all men are sinners. The human element prevents the KJV from being infallible. Please see this for answers: http://biblebelievers.com/jmelton/fables.html
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   HanssAugust 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM
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   mobymagg
   Here’s one small example: The KJV translated Galatians 3.23: “But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.” The Greek text (TR) reads: Πρὸ τοῦ δὲ ἐλθεῖν τὴν πίστιν ὑπὸ νόμον ἐφρουρούμεθα συγκεκλεισμένοι εἰς τὴν μέλλουσαν πίστιν ἀποκαλυφθῆναι. The text does not read, “before faith came” but “before the faith came.” Paul was not writing about the act of believing but what is believed, i.e., his gospel. The second use of τὴν πίστιν they translated correctly as “the faith.” But in the first instance the translators did not translate the definite article. In Greek, the definite article makes a noun definite. In this case, “the faith.” So the translators erred.
   mobymagg
   mobymagg
   2 years ago (edited)
   I trust the translators of the KJV because they not only were experts in Greek, but they were experts in English. For instance, the KJV was produced during the golden age of English, during Shakespeare’s era and it frequently has a superior rendering of the Greek perfect over the modern translations. For example, in Eph 2:8 the KJV reads "for by grace are ye saved," while many modern translations (e.g., RSV, NASB) have "for by grace you have been saved".The perfect periphrastic construction is most likely intensive. The KJV translators recognized that to translate Eph 2:8 with an English perfect would say nothing about the state resulting from the act of being saved. Many resources that can shed light on textual and translation variants appear in Latin glosses and writings produced over a span of 1000+ years and all the KJV translators were proficient in Latin. You assume the translators made an error. So what does that mean? You have no Bible to trust? You are weakening the faith of some believers. You direct them to the NASB, which is without question corrupt, instead of the KJV.
   This website refutes over 150 allegations of errors to show that the KJV is demonstrably inerrant: http://www.kjvtoday.com/home
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   2 years ago
   mobymagg
   The KJV translators were fallible men. I have pointed out a translation error. They made many more errors which I could provide. I trust the autographs and the manuscript copies. No translation is perfect. The Ephesians 2.8 passage you cited is also mistranslated. The Greek text includes the definite article and should read, “the grace,” not “grace.” They messed up the rest of the verse also for it should read, “through the faith,” not “through faith.” They erred.
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   HanssAugust 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM
   mobymagg
   2 years ago
   You're caught up in some complicated nonsense which blinds you to God's truth; obviously, since you claim the NASB is to be trusted over the King James Bible. I cannot take you seriously because if you care about God's truth, you would not be promoting modern so-called "bible" versions that you KNOW have tons of mistakes in them.
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   2 years ago
   mobymagg
   I’ve never stated the NASB is to be trusted over the KJV. The NASB has errors also. All the translations have errors. Why do you accuse me of something I have never said? I stated the KJV has errors and pointed a few out. If you think the errors I noted are not errors then what you are saying is that the translators are superior to the original text of the authors. Is that your position? Do you believe the KJV translators have given us a Bible that is superior to what Moses or Isaiah or Paul wrote? What the Bible’s authors wrote was God-breathed. Translators translate what the authors have written. They are not authors and the KJV is not God-breathed. If you think it is, then you have a serious theological problem. Unless you understand the distinction between a translator and an author you will remain confused and continue to make inaccurate statements. The manuscript copies give us a Bible that is 98% reliable. We have all the information but do not know what 2% is erroneous. The good news is that the variant readings do not affect any major doctrine. Even when a reading is wrong, other passages correct it. God has provided checks to ensure an accurate Bible.
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   mobymagg
   1 year ago
   So you are claiming God did not give us a perfect Bible that we can hold in our hands?! Modern Bible versions certainly do affect major doctrine! If you trust the modern perversions, you have your own theological problem. Which particular Bible would you give to a person who has no "authority" such as yourself around to tell him what it says?
   Don Samdahl
   Don Samdahl
   1 year ago
   Which is correct, the KJV text or the Received Text/Majority Text? The KJV translated Galatians 3.23: “But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.” The Greek text (TR/MT) reads: Πρὸ τοῦ δὲ ἐλθεῖν τὴν πίστιν ὑπὸ νόμον ἐφρουρούμεθα συγκεκλεισμένοι εἰς τὴν μέλλουσαν πίστιν ἀποκαλυφθῆναι. The Greek text does not read, “before faith came” but “before the faith came.” Is the KJV text correct or the Greek text?
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   Bahati Mwakasole
   Bahati Mwakasole
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   Doctrine,
   Be blessed. I can see more and more light, the more I read your explanations. One should not be tired of reading the whole of the explanations.
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   HanssMarch 13, 2021 at 2:46 PM

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   Can we be BOTH the Body of Christ and the Bride?
   Will JESUS marry HIMSELF=His Body?
   I say, no.
   I believe the saved remnant of Israel is His Bride.
   I'm very content to be 'just' a member of the world wide Body of Christ.
   In the New Jerusalem only the 12 names of the apostles for the Jews will be commemorated and the 12 names of the tribes of Israel.
   The name of OUR apostle Paul won't be commemorated through the News Jerusalem, but of course everybody will know who he is in eternity.
   Paul received the honor by JESUS to reveal the MYSTERIOUS Body of Christ.
   Before him this was totally unknown.
   That will be one of his crowns, so he doesn't need to see his name on the New Jerusalem, and once he persecuted his fellow JEWS who had become believers in the Lord JESUS, so Paul is VERY GLAD JESUS forgave him and turned him into our apostle Paul, the ONLY apostle who called himself the apostle of the GENTILES.
   Every time we will meet Paul on the new earth and in the New Jerusalem we will thank JESUS He used Paul to get us saved, and Paul will be very happy with that and we too, and the Lord JESUS will be the happiest of all.
   
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   David Brooks • 10 hours ago
   
   Imagine what the United States will look like post rapture. Bibles will be banned and anybody that claims to be Christian will be arrested and eventually when the man of sin decides that he wants to be worshiped or head cut off, this is when the real persecution begins.. this is only a gut feeling, and I know that there are other brothers and sisters around the world that are suffering for their faith. I'm not speaking for the Western society completely. But I think according to the scriptures and what I read in the book of Revelation, the Christian persecution will be in fruition during this time. Tribulation saints. Could the bride of Christ suffer now? Yes of course.But I don't believe concentration camps are in our future. I believe the rapture is in our future.
   
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   Hans S David Brooks • 10 hours ago
   
   We are the Body of Christ and not the Bride.
   
   The Bride will be the saved remnant of Israel.
   
   https://doctrine.org/the-br...
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   GOING-2-GLORY Hans S • 7 hours ago
   
   This is a DOCTRINE issue. It is interesting to compare... what is said of Israel and Jehovah in the OT, with the Body of Christ. One is A NATION under COVENANT with God... with a priesthood etc... The other is not.
   
   So many different things between the two.. An excellent Bible study to be sure.
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   HanssMarch 13, 2021 at 2:46 PM

   David Brooks GOING-2-GLORY • 6 hours ago
   
   It seems pretty cut and dry to me. God the Father is married to Israel under Abraham covenant. And Jesus is married to His bride, the Church. (Will be) I think Pastor Geoff made some excellent scripture references to old Testament Saints even looking to Christ. I'm not attempting to draw him into this conversation. And like you said its an excellent study for sure. Have a blessed night.
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   Hans S David Brooks • 40 minutes ago
   
   How can the Body of Christ (JESUS) be married to JESUS and JESUS and the Father are ONE?
   
   This is all about JESUS:
   
   Isaiah 9:6 King James Version (KJV)
   
   6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government
   shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
   Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
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   David Brooks Hans S • 7 hours ago
   
   Hans, I may have misspoke. Let me replace Christians (as I referred in the time of Jacob's trouble to, Tribulation Saints), for that part I admit error.
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   Hans S David Brooks • 25 minutes ago
   
   'Christians' was a term used by outsiders and being a former atheist I don't like this term, and I never called myself a 'Christian', because so many people call themselves that way who aren't even saved.
   I'm a saved follower of Paul on behalf of the Lord JESUS Christ.
   Yes, that's much longer than just 'Christian' and that's why I invented the term 'JESUS Christian' because it's all about JESUS and 'Christian' omits the name above all names.
   The 'Tribulation Saints' will be in the first place Jews in the land of Israel who will have come to believe that their Messiah (Christ) is indeed Yeshua (JESUS) and furthermore the people during the coming Time of Jacob's Trouble, aka the Great Tribulation (in the first place for Jacob=Israel) all over the world who are currently believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, but who are NOT yet saved, because they believe in the WRONG gospel, which is in most cases a MIXTURE of the Kingdom Gospel for the Jews (Mark, Matthew, Luke and John) and the teachings of Paul (on behalf of JESUS).
   SAVED people ONLY follow Paul and his teachings (Romans through Philemon) and from this they read the entire Bible and discern what's meant for them and what not.
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   CHAR Hans S • 8 hours ago
   
   I think that we ARE the Bride of Christ. God will tell His Son "go get your Bride" and that's when He will step out into the clouds and call us up.