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Friday, August 7, 2015

The GLORIOUS DEPARTURE!

The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3
Dr. Thomas Ice
www.pre-trib.org
 
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

I believe that there is a strong possibility that 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is speaking of the rapture.  What do I mean?  Some pretribulationists, like myself, think that the Greek noun apostasia, usually translated "apostasy," is a reference to the rapture and should be translated "departure."  Thus, this passage would be saying that the day of the Lord will not come until the rapture comes before it.  If apostasia is a reference to a physical departure, then 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is strong evidence for pretribulationism.

The Meaning of Apostasia


The Greek noun apostasia is only used twice in the New Testament.  In addition to 2 Thessalonians 2:3, it occurs in Acts 21:21 where, speaking of Paul, it is said, "that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia) Moses."  The word is a Greek compound of apo " from" and istemi "stand."  Thus, it has the core meaning of "away from" or "departure."  The Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon defines apostasia first as "defection, revolt;" then secondly as "departure, disappearance."[1] Gordon Lewis explains how the verb from which the noun apostasia is derived supports the basic meaning of departure in the following:

The verb may mean to remove spatially.  There is little reason then to deny that the noun can mean such a spatial removal or departure.  Since the noun is used only one other time in the New Testament of apostasy from Moses (Acts 21:21), we can hardly conclude that its Biblical meaning is necessarily determined.  The verb is used fifteen times in the New Testament.  Of these fifteen, only three have anything to do with a departure from the faith (Luke 8:13; 1 Timothy 4:1; Hebrews 3:12).  The word is used for departing from iniquity (2 Timothy 2:19), from ungodly men (1 Timothy 6:5), from the temple (Luke 2:27), from the body (2 Corinthians 12:8), and from persons (Acts 12:10; Luke 4:13).[2]

"It is with full assurance of proper exegetical study and with complete confidence in the original languages," concludes Daniel Davey, "that the word meaning of apostasia is defined as departure."[3]  Paul Lee Tan adds the following:

What precisely does Paul mean when he says that "the falling away" (2:3) must come before the tribulation?  The definite article "the" denotes that this will be a definite event, an event distinct from the appearance of the Man of Sin.  The Greek word for "falling away," taken by itself, does not mean religious apostasy or defection.  Neither does the word mean "to fall," as the Greeks have another word for that. [pipto, I fall; TDI]  The best translation of the word is "to depart."  The apostle Paul refers here to a definite event which he calls "the departure," and which will occur just before the start of the tribulation.  This is the rapture of the church.[4]

So the word has the core meaning of departure and it depends upon the context to determine whether it is used to mean physical departure or an abstract departure such as departure from the faith.

Translation History

The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either "departure" or "departing."  They are as follows:  Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608).[5]  This supports the notion that the word truly means "departure."  In fact, Jerome's Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of a.d. 400 renders apostasia with the "word discessio, meaning 'departure.'"[6]  Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure"?

Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done.  The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as "falling away."  Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as "departure."  No good reason was ever given.

The Use of the Article

It is important to note that Paul uses a definite article with the noun apostasia.  What does this mean?  Davey notes the following:

Since the Greek language does not need an article to make the noun definite, it becomes clear that with the usage of the article reference is being made to something in particular.  In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 the word apostasia is prefaced by the definite article which means that Paul is pointing to a particular type of departure clearly known to the Thessalonian church.[7]

Dr. Lewis provides a likely answer when he notes that the definite article serves to make a word distinct and draw attention to it.  In this instance he believes that its purpose is "to denote a previous reference." "The departure Paul previously referred to was 'our being gathered to him' (v. 1) and our being 'caught up' with the Lord and the raptured dead in the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:17)," notes Dr. Lewis.[8]  The "departure" was something that Paul and his readers clearly had a mutual understanding about.  Paul says in verse 5, "Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?"

The use of the definite article would also support the notion that Paul spoke of a clear, discernable event.  A physical departure, like the rapture would fit just such a notion.  However, the New Testament teaches that apostasy had already arrived in the first century (cf. Acts 20:27-32; 1 Timothy 4:1-5; 2 Timothy 3:1-9; 2 Peter 2:1-3; Jude 3-4, 17-21) and thus, such a process would not denote a clear event as demanded by the language of this passage.  Understanding departure as the rapture would satisfy the nuance of this text.  E. Schuyler English explains as follows:

Again, how would the Thessalonians, or Christians in any century since, be qualified to recognize the apostasy when it should come, assuming, simply for the sake of this inquiry, that the Church might be on earth when it does come?  There has been apostasy from God, rebellion against Him, since time began.[9]

Whatever Paul is referring to in his reference to "the departure," was something that both the Thessalonian believers and he had discussed in-depth previously.  When we examine Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians, he never mentions the doctrine of apostasy, however, virtually every chapter in that epistle speaks of the rapture (cf. 1:9-10; 2:19; probably 3:13; 4:13-17; 5:1-11).  In these passages, Paul has used a variety of Greek terms to describe the rapture.   It should not be surprising that he uses another term to reference the rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.  Dr. House tells us:

Remember, the Thessalonians had been led astray by the false teaching (2:2-3) that the Day of the Lord had already come.  This was confusing because Paul offered great hope, in the first letter, of a departure to be with Christ and a rescue from God's wrath.  Now a letter purporting to be from Paul seems to say that they would first have to go through the Day of the Lord.  Paul then clarified his prior teaching by emphasizing that they had no need to worry.  They could again be comforted because the departure he had discussed in his first letter, and in his teaching while with them, was still the truth.  The departure of Christians to be with Christ, and the subsequent revelation of the lawless one, Paul argues, is proof that the Day of the Lord had not begun as they had thought.  This understanding of apostasia makes much more sense than the view that they are to be comforted (v. 2) because a defection from the faith must precede the Day of the Lord.  The entire second chapter (as well as 1 Thessalonians 4:18; 5:11) serves to comfort (see vv. 2, 3, 17), supplied by a reassurance of Christ's coming as taught in his first letter.[10]

Departure and the Restrainer

Since pretribulationists believe that the restrainer mentioned in verses 6 and 7 is the Holy Spirit and teaches a pre-trib rapture, then it should not be surprising to see that there is a similar progression of thought in the progression of verse 3.  Allan MacRae, president of Faith Theological Seminary in a letter to Schuyler English has said the following concerning this matter:

I wonder if you have noticed the striking parallel between this verse and verses 7-8, a little further down.  According to your suggestion verse 3 mentions the departure of the church as coming first, and then tells of the revealing of the man of sin.  In verses 7 and 8 we find the identical sequence.  Verse 7 tells of the removal of the Church; verse 8 says: "And then shall that Wicked be revealed."  Thus close examination of the passage shows an inner unity and coherence, if we take the word apostasia in its general sense of "departure," while a superficial examination would easily lead to an erroneous interpretation as "falling away" because of the proximity of the mention of the man of sin.[11]

Kenneth Wuest, a Greek scholar from Moody Bible Institute added the following contextual support to taking apostasia as a physical departure:

But then hee apostasia of which Paul is speaking, precedes the revelation of Antichrist in his true identity, and is to katechon that which holds back his revelation (2:6). The hee apostasia, therefore, cannot be either a general apostasy in Christendom which does precede the coming of Antichrist, nor can it be the particular apostasy which is the result of his activities in making himself the alone object of worship.  Furthermore, that which holds back his revelation (vs. 3) is vitally connected with hoo katechoon (vs. 7), He who holds back the same event.  The latter is, in my opinion, the Holy Spirit and His activities in the Church.  All of which means that I am driven to the inescapable conclusion that the hee apostasia (vs. 3) refers to the Rapture of the Church which precedes the Day of the Lord, and holds back the revelation of the Man of Sin who ushers in the world-aspect of that period.[12]

Conclusion

The fact that apostasia most likely has the meaning of physical departure is a clear support for pretribulationism.  If this is true, (Dr. Tim LaHaye and I believe that it is), then it means that a clear prophetic sequence is laid out by Paul early in his Apostolic ministry.  Paul teaches in 2 Thessalonians 2 that the rapture will occur first, before the Day of the Lord commences.  It is not until after the beginning of the Day of the Lord that the Antichrist is released, resulting in the events described by him in chapter 2 of 2 Thessalonians. This is the only interpretation that provides hope for a discomforted people. Maranatha!

Endnotes
[1] Henry George Liddell and Henry Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, Revised with a Supplement [1968] by Sir Henry Stuart Jones and Roderick McKenzie (Oxford, Eng.: Oxford University Press, 1940), p. 218.

[2] Gordon R. Lewis, "Biblical Evidence for Pretribulationism," Bibliotheca Sacra (vol. 125, no. 499; July 1968), p. 218.

[3] Daniel K. Davey, "The 'Apostesia' of II Thessalonians 2:3," Th.M. thesis, Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary, May 1982, p. 27.

[4] Paul Lee Tan, The Interpretation of Prophecy (Winona Lake, IN: Assurance Publishers, 1974), p. 341.

[5] H. Wayne House, "Apostasia in 2 Thessalonians 2:3: Apostasy or Rapture?" in Thomas Ice and Timothy Demy, eds., When the Trumpet Sounds: Today's Foremost Authorities Speak Out on End-Time Controversies (Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1995), p. 270.

[6] House, "Apostesia", p. 270.

[7] Davey, "Apostesia", p. 47.

[8] Gordon R. Lewis & Bruce A. Demarest, Integrative Theology 3 vols in 1 (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1996), vol. 3, p. 420.

[9] E. Schuyler English, Re-Thinking the Rapture (Neptune, NJ: Loizeaux Brothers, 1954), p. 70.

[10] House, "Apostesia", pp. 275-76.

[11] Allan A. MacRae, Letter to E. Schuyler English, published in "Let the Prophets Speak," Our Hope, (vol. LVI, num. 12; June 1950), p. 725.

[12] Kenneth S. Wuest, Letter to E. Schuyler English, published in "Let the Prophets Speak," Our Hope, (vol. LVI, num. 12; June 1950), p. 731.


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51 comments:

  1. HanssAugust 7, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    THE RAPTURE
    Translation History

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  2. HanssAugust 7, 2015 at 1:01 PM

    APOSTASIA OR DEPARTURE?

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  3. HanssAugust 7, 2015 at 11:44 PM

    Post Tribbers LOVE The Appearing Of The Antichrist! by Bryan Denlinger

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  4. HanssAugust 8, 2015 at 12:12 AM

    The Post Trib Pre Wrath Rapture Is A NEW Teaching!

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  5. HanssAugust 8, 2015 at 7:23 AM

    +fatherwithlove46 Check this out: http://www.raptureready.com/rr-pretribulation-rapture.html

    More on my site: Rapture and prophecy http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Opname%20en%20profetie-Rapture%20and%20prophecy

    I'm Dutch, so sometimes you'll come across some older topics in Dutch, but mos of my info, or links to it, is in English.

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  6. HanssAugust 10, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    +Oopsie Daisie Doosie This song contains this verse: In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:2 The Les Humphries Singers, To My Father's House HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_K8Ii7fKA The video was recorded in the Netherlands. +Kenny Jacobs

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  7. HanssAugust 13, 2015 at 4:11 PM

    In case we really trust JESUS, we know we're not appointed to HIS wrath, and we're awaiting the DEPARTURE, aka the pre-Times of Jacob's Trouble-RAPTURE http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/08/the-glorious-departure.html Tell your husband he's blessed with a pretty wife and wonderful children.

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  8. HanssAugust 17, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Why Christians May Be Invisible - BBN

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  9. HanssAugust 19, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    +Rachel Smith
    Nice try 'Rachel', but it's clear you don't want to believe in the pre-Times of Jacob's Trouble-rapture and you rather believe in the Roman Catholic replacement theology garbage, judging from your sarcasm.
    So please suffer as much as you want and try to earn heaven....it wont work.
    I have a much better theology: just believe in JESUS Christ and make the right distinction between His plans (He's God, you know) with His chosen people Israel and the remnant thereof, and his plans with the Body of Christ.
    Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/israels-kingdom-gospel-and-our-grace.html

    Mysterious Body of Christ http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Mysterious%20Body%20of%20Christ

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  10. HanssAugust 19, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    +Rachel Smith
    I mentioned the replacement theology, because that's what you believe in, because you don't (yet) see the distinction between God's plans with His chosen people Israel and the remnant thereof, and His plans with the Body of Christ.

    Galatians 3:28-29
    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    These are the rules within the Body of Christ, but God's chosen people, the Jews, aren't part of it, and they're still God's chosen people, whether they themselves and non-Jews like it or not.

    Many things JESUS taught was meant for the Jews and not for the Body of Christ, which didn't even exist during JESUS' ministry.

    The real start of the Body of Christ was when JESUS gave Saul (Paul) 'a close encounter with God of the first kind', after the APOSTLE Paul started to preach the MYSTERY GOSPEL, which Satan HATES!
    Satan's Attack on The Mystery Gospel
    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/satans-attack-on-mystery-gospel.html

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  11. HanssAugust 19, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    +Rachel Smith
    First off I don't trust you and you have a typical troll-account with a no posts     https://plus.google.com/u/0/103214103491460607137/posts and this goes for your YouTube-channel too https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx49uI2klctaaAFSgLWjqMg/about and then you use a typical mind control picture of a seductive woman, so I don't believe your name is Rachel Smith.

    I'm used to people like you, but could you please try to become an honest person?

    Important other question: do you LOVE JESUS Christ and secondary question: are you saved?

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  12. HanssAugust 20, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    +fueler747
    +TONY COSTANZO Well I believe that in the near future we don't have to share this world with Satan, the other fallen angels and his people, anymore, because JESUS is going to take us away through the rapture.
    Then they are rid of us and vice versa.
    I'm still willing to tell people who don't yet belong to JESUS about Him and how they can get saved through Him, and among those are still many relatives, who are no relatives to me anymore in eternity, because we are meant to be like the angels, and angels aren't related to each other like humans.
    I'm ready for God's ETERNAL wedding party in honor of our savior JESUS!

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  13. HanssAugust 23, 2015 at 11:11 PM

    +Tfc Drew
    You say the Pope is the man of sin and I say he's the Antichrist.
    What's the difference?
    Frank Marshall Davis jr, aka Barry Davis, aka 'Obama' is his executor/MUPPET.

    We clearly disagree on this: The Rapture Theory http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/rapture-theory-false.html

    Case Closed - Evidence For Pre Trib Rapture http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/case-closed-evidence-for-pre-trib.html

    Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/israels-kingdom-gospel-and-our-grace.html

    More: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Opname%20en%20profetie-Rapture%20and%20prophecy

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  14. HanssSeptember 6, 2015 at 2:24 PM

    Sweet +Silvana Smith (778Denver) said:
    YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!! 14 minutes of garbage!     I have not heard such butchering of Scripture in a long time! The only thing you are right about is the WOF pastors! But you are STILL an idiot!!! HELLO!!!!!! Michael is the worrier angel for Israel! If you are going to pretend you had a vision.........at least read through the Bible once to know what the hell you are talking about! And you CANNOT lose your salvation or be left behind once you are born again! Oh and there are NO Biblical tongues you lying cow! Imbecile! Read your Bible!

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  15. HanssSeptember 7, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    +Martin Sandoval Case Closed - Evidence For Pre Trib Rapture http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/case-closed-evidence-for-pre-trib.html
    

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  16. HanssSeptember 17, 2015 at 1:42 PM

    +It's Ya Girl, Jesus' Wife
    It's going to be FANTASTIC and we'll all be so very beautiful in honor of our redeemer, JESUS!

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  17. HanssSeptember 20, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    One of These Days...the RAPTURE!

    Gone to be with JESUS!

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  18. HanssSeptember 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    +Yoon Pender
    Matthew 24 is a message for the Jews: Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel     http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Mysterious%20Body%20of%20Christ
    Hans S
    10:18 PM




    +Laine Gordon Luke was Jewish, speaker tells Messianic fellowship http://www.bpnews.net/18466/luke-was-jewish-speaker-tells-messianic-fellowship

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  19. HanssSeptember 28, 2015 at 4:08 AM

    Passion - Even So Come (Live) ft. Kristian Stanfill

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  20. HanssOctober 10, 2015 at 8:29 AM

    +Ray Giordano Yes, JESUS has saved me and you too!
    We're going to an eternal wedding feast in honor of JESUS, so there will be plenty of time to celebrate with our new bodies!
    The whole Bible is a miracle, and prophesy is my main interest too.
    I believe we're very near to the pre-Times of Jacob's Trouble-rapture, which is a better term than the 'pre-tribulation-rapture', because there has always been tribulation for the real believers in JESUS since the start of the Body of Christ.

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  21. HanssOctober 11, 2015 at 4:30 AM

    The oil is an image of the Holy Spirit.
    MANY believers in JESUS have NEVER ASKED the Father to be filled with His Holy Spirit, because they were taught that the experience of becoming a believer was already enough.
    But then they forgot to read this:

    World English Bible, 2002
    King James Version, 1611
    13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ASK him?"
    13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ASK him?
    Luke 11,13 http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?Bible=Bible&m=Luke+11%2C13&id14=1&id7=1&pos=0&set=3&l=en

    Example; "Father God, I ASK you in JESUS' name to fill me with your Holy Spirit..and I PRAISE YOU AND I THANK YOU and I WORSHIP YOU!
    THANK YOU, LORD JESUS, AMEN!"

    The first time I became a believer in JESUS I was almost 21 and it lasted less then a WEEK and mind you: I'm an ex-theist who never went to church.

    Afterwards I was 'running with the devil' again.

    How was this possible?

    I wasn't filled with the Holy Spirit, because I had never ASKED the Father to do so!

    If I had died during that time, I would have gone to hell/the lake of fire!

    After my final surrender to JESUS, after I had just become 24, I came into contact with people who taught me this important principle, and this didn't happen the first time, because I didn't want to have anything to do with 'Christians'.
    When I was alone with God-the Lord JESUS in someone else's car and waiting for the owner to return, I started to pray which turned into WORSHIP....and then it happened and I became OVERJOYED through the Holy Spirit and I began to praise God-the Lord JESUS even more!

    I believe this was the moment I became SEALED.

    So all people who believe FOR SURE they are SEALED with the Holy Spirit are members of the Body of Christ, and they don't have to worry.

    But those who haven't yet asked to be filled with the Holy Spirit should listen to what JESUS says:

    Luke 11:13 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    13 If ye then which are evil, can give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the holy Ghost to them that desire him?

    In this translation the word is DESIRE, which is even better: it's like FALLING in LOVE with JESUS!

    Those who will be raptured have FALLEN in LOVE with JESUS!

    Those who will be left behind (which means they'll get a last chance during the Times of Jacob's Trouble-tribulation to make a radical decision for JESUS), are on the SUDDEN MOMENT of the rapture NOT filled with the 'oil' of the Holy Spirit.

    If people say these words of the Lord JESUS in Matthew 25:1-13 are only meant for Israel and the remnant thereof, it's not true.

    WISE virgins have ASKED to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and FOOLISH virgins haven't.

    Are you sure you have ASKED/DESIRED (from) God the Father to be filled with His Holy Spirit?

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  22. HanssOctober 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    +It's Ya Girl, Jesus' Wife
    Yes, glory to JESUS, Princess!
    I'm doing fine, because of OUR Savior, JESUS!
    Thanks for asking me!
    I assume you're doing fine too, for the same reason.
    But I would be a liar, if I would say that being here in the dimension, between heaven and hell, is the best imaginable circumstance, because it's not.
    As the Bible (God-the Lord JESUS) says we're longing for the redemption of our (mortal) body.

    Romans 8:23 World English Bible (WEB)
    23 Not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for adoption, the redemption of our body.

    Romans 8:23 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    23 And not only the creature, but we also which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we do sigh in ourselves, waiting for the adoption, even the redemption of our body. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8%3A23+&version=GNV

    Our Hope: The Redemption of Our Bodies http://www.desiringgod.org/messages/our-hope-the-redemption-of-our-bodies

    Love in our Lord JESUS from your brother Hans ;-))

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  23. HanssOctober 18, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    +Alicia Lopez Soon sister, and we will be so beautiful and riding on white horses, right behind JESUS!

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  24. HanssOctober 22, 2015 at 4:44 AM

    +It's Ya Girl, Jesus' Wife
    Dear Princess, with each passing day we're getting closer to that GLORIOUS MOMENT of the rapture     and our change from mortal into immortal beings in the heavenly kingdom of our hero JESUS!

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  25. HanssOctober 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    These 'clouds' are myriads of raptured believers who will follow JESUS, dressed in white and riding on white horses.

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  26. HanssNovember 1, 2015 at 8:46 PM

    Are you ready? Video of the rapture of the church. My version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSmGzaQUgkw

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  27. HanssDecember 15, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Will YOU Be Ready??

    Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/israels-kingdom-gospel-and-our-grace.html
    Les Feldick - Why We Stand On a Pre Trib Rapture http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/06/les-feldick-why-we-stand-on-pre-trib.html

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  28. HanssDecember 22, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    +Motive 3rd
    Money is power in this world.
    Who is the richest person on earth?
    Obama or the Pope?
    The POPE!
    He owns TRILLIONS, while he pretends to be poor, but apart form that: his true god is LUCIFER and he's the black pope in white, and the ROMAN EMPEROR, disguised as a religious leader: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/04/the-satanic-power-tree.html

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    1. HanssDecember 22, 2015 at 11:03 AM

      +Motive 3rd You say this because you're not sufficiently informed. Know more about this Pope: he EATS babies and he DRINKS their BLOOD! Francis The Baby Eater http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/05/francis-baby-eater.html Antichrist http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/AntichristPope Francis http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Pope%20Francis

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  29. HanssDecember 29, 2015 at 10:30 PM

    +TONY COSTANZO
    The true born again believers in JESUS will be caught up to where JESUS is, before the start of the Time of Jacob's Trouble.
    Those who will be left behind aren't yet saved and born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit.

    The rapture will happen suddenly and unexpectedly, but 'the wise virgins' will be ready, because they have their lamps filled with oil, which is an image of the Holy Spirit.

    Enoch is the example: Genesis 5:24
    And Enoch walked with God, and he was no more seen: for God took him away.

    Those who walk with God-the Lord JESUS are ready.
    Those who are focused on other things aren't.

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  30. HanssJanuary 8, 2016 at 4:07 PM

    Is The Pre-Trib Rapture A Jesuit/Illuminati Conspiracy?

    Mysterious Body of Christ http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Mysterious%20Body%20of%20Christ

    Gospel of GRACE http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Gospel%20of%20GRACE

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    1. HanssJanuary 8, 2016 at 4:09 PM

      +excatholics Brother, you mentioned the wrong translation of the Greek word 'apostasia' in 2 Thessalonians 2:3

      KJV - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

      This is the RIGHT translation:

      2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

      The RIGHT translation of the Greek word 'apostasia' into departing (departure is also good)
      departing or departure is referring to the rapture!

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  31. HanssSeptember 16, 2016 at 7:02 PM

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Rapture NOT Apostasy: "The day of the Lord will not come until the Rapture first takes place".

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  32. HanssFebruary 18, 2017 at 11:55 PM

    Will the Body of Christ Go Through the Tribulation?

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    1. HanssFebruary 19, 2017 at 12:03 AM

      2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 is not meant for the Body of Christ!

      2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      10 And in all deceivableness of unrighteousness, among them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

      11 And therefore God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe lies,

      12 That all they might be damned which believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      In context from the World English Bible (pro-pre-Jacob's Trouble-Rapture translation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3)


      2 Thessalonians 2 World English Bible (WEB)

      2 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. 5 Don’t you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? 6 Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; 9 even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn’t receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; 12 that they all might be judged who didn’t believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to always give thanks to God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth; 14 to which he called you through our Good News, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm, and hold the traditions which you were taught by us, whether by word, or by letter.

      16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good work and word.

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  33. HanssFebruary 28, 2017 at 2:47 PM

    The Greek word 'apostasia' in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 simply means 'departure' and it's not about the 'falling away from faith', but about the RAPTURE and the word 'church' derives from the Roman Catholic CHURCH and from the word CIRCLE or CIRCUS and it's not the right word or term but the BODY of CHRIST.
    SAVED and BORN again people will NOT 'fall away from faith', because they are SEALED with God's Holy Spirit.
    It's so sad that the KJV1611 doesn't contain the right translation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and even in the footnotes the writers of the Geneva Bible give a wrong interpretation of this verse, though they used the better word 'departing' instead of 'a falling away' for the Greek word 'apostasia'.

    This is the best translation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 World English Bible (WEB)
    3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction

    First the DEPARTURE must happen before the Antichrist will be revealed, because what will happen next has nothing to do with the Body of Christ but with Israel and the remnant thereof that will be saved at JESUS' 2nd coming.

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  34. HanssMarch 6, 2017 at 9:59 AM

    1 Corinthiƫrs 15 SV1750 50-58

    50 Doch dit zeg ik, broeders, dat vlees en bloed het Koninkrijk Gods niet beerven kunnen, en de verderfelijkheid beerft de onverderfelijkheid niet. 51 Ziet, ik zeg u een verborgenheid: wij zullen wel niet allen ontslapen, maar wij zullen allen veranderd worden; 52 In een punt des tijds, in een ogenblik, met de laatste bazuin; want de bazuin zal slaan, en de doden zullen onverderfelijk opgewekt worden, en wij zullen veranderd worden. 53 Want dit verderfelijke moet onverderfelijkheid aandoen, en dit sterfelijke moet onsterfelijkheid aandoen. 54 En wanneer dit verderfelijke zal onverderfelijkheid aangedaan hebben, en dit sterfelijke zal onsterfelijkheid aangedaan hebben, alsdan zal het woord geschieden, dat geschreven is: De dood is verslonden tot overwinning. 55 Dood, waar is uw prikkel? Hel, waar is uw overwinning? 56 De prikkel nu des doods is de zonde; en de kracht der zonde is de wet. 57 Maar Gode zij dank, Die ons de overwinning geeft door onzen Heere Jezus Christus. 58 Zo dan, mijn geliefde broeders! Zijt standvastig, onbewegelijk, altijd overvloedig zijnde in het werk des Heeren, als die weet, dat uw arbeid niet ijdel is in den Heere.

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  35. HanssMarch 6, 2017 at 10:01 AM

    1 Corinthians 15:50-58 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    50 This say I, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I show you a secret thing, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall blow, and the dead shall be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption: and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible hath put on incorruption, and this mortal hath put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying, that is written, Death is swallowed up into victory.

    55 O death where is thy sting? O grave where is thy victory?

    56 The sting of death is sin: and the strength of sin is the Law.

    57 But thanks be unto God, which hath given us victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    58 Therefore my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmovable, abundant always in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

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  36. HanssMarch 6, 2017 at 10:04 AM

    1 Korinthiƫrs 15 NBG51 50-58

    50 Dit spreek ik evenwel uit, broeders: vlees en bloed kunnen het Koninkrijk Gods niet beƫrven en het vergankelijke beƫrft de onvergankelijkheid niet. 51 Zie, ik deel u een geheimenis mede. Allen zullen wij niet ontslapen, maar allen zullen wij veranderd worden, 52 in een ondeelbaar ogenblik, bij de laatste bazuin, want de bazuin zal klinken en de doden zullen onvergankelijk opgewekt worden en wij zullen veranderd worden. 53 Want dit vergankelijke moet onvergankelijkheid aandoen en dit sterfelijke moet onsterfelijkheid aandoen.
    54 En zodra dit vergankelijke onvergankelijkheid aangedaan heeft, en dit sterfelijke onsterfelijkheid aangedaan heeft, zal het woord werkelijkheid worden, dat geschreven is: De dood is verzwolgen in de overwinning.
    55 Dood, waar is uw overwinning?
    Dood, waar is uw prikkel?
    56 De prikkel des doods is de zonde en de kracht der zonde is de wet. 57 Maar Gode zij dank, die ons de overwinning geeft door onze Here Jezus Christus.
    58 Daarom, mijn geliefde broeders, weest standvastig, onwankelbaar, te allen tijde overvloedig in het werk des Heren, wetende, dat uw arbeid niet vergeefs is in de Here.

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  37. HanssMarch 6, 2017 at 10:05 AM


    1 Corinthians 15:50-58 King James Version (KJV)

    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

    57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

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  38. HanssMarch 6, 2017 at 10:15 AM

    2 Tessalonicenzen 2 NBG51

    1 Maar wij verzoeken u, broeders, met betrekking tot de komst van [onze] Here Jezus Christus en onze vereniging met Hem, 2 dat gij niet spoedig uw bezinning verliest of in onrust verkeert, hetzij door een geestesuiting, hetzij door een prediking, hetzij door een brief, die van ons afkomstig zou zijn, alsof de dag des Heren (reeds) aanbrak. 3 Laat niemand u misleiden, op welke wijze ook, want eerst moet de opname* komen en de mens der wetteloosheid zich openbaren, de zoon des verderfs, 4de tegenstander, die zich verheft tegen al wat God of voorwerp van verering heet, zodat hij zich in de tempel Gods zet, om aan zich te laten zien, dat hij een god is.

    *en daarna de afval

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  39. HanssMarch 21, 2017 at 7:36 PM

    "We are not datesetters here at NTEB...."

    My comment: God-the Lord JESUS will NEVER reveal the timing of the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture in order to keep His ADVERSARY=SATAN in the DARK!

    It will be a SUDDEN SURPRISE for His beloved and for everyone else, including the devil.

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  40. HanssApril 22, 2019 at 12:14 AM

    Departure Or Apostasy?

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  41. HanssJuly 11, 2020 at 1:16 AM

    Is the 2 Thessalonians 2 "Falling Away" Really the Rapture?

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    1. HanssJuly 11, 2020 at 1:18 AM


      The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3
      Dr. Thomas Ice
      www.pre-trib.org
      Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
      I believe that there is a strong possibility that 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is speaking of the rapture. What do I mean? Some pretribulationists, like myself, think that the Greek noun apostasia, usually translated "apostasy," is a reference to the rapture and should be translated "departure." Thus, this passage would be saying that the day of the Lord will not come until the rapture comes before it. If apostasia is a reference to a physical departure, then 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is strong evidence for pretribulationism.
      The Meaning of Apostasia http://www.bibleone.net/print_tbs118.html
      Hans S
      Hans S
      1 second ago
      A better argument why 2 Thessalonians 1-4 is about the pre-JACOB'S TROUBLE-rapture (pre-tribulation-rapture) is the following:
      2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 1599 Geneva Bible
      1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
      2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
      The DAY OF CHRIST is the day when the rapture will take place and it will happen before the Antichrist will be disclosed.
      The 'day of Christ' is NOT the same as the 'the day of the Lord' and only correct translations make this distinction:
      The Day of Christ vs The Day of the Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhlkUxAVaSk

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      On Point Preparedness
      1 hour ago
      I know some people are going to rush to the comments before watching. So, my answer is no. 2 Thess 2 does not speak of the rapture. Thank you!
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      Kev Tom
      Kev Tom
      1 hour ago
      https://www.amazon.com/Rapture-Plot-David-MacPherson/dp/0962522058
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      kevin w
      kevin w
      1 hour ago
      The greek word "apostasia" only occurs one other time in Acts speaking of JEWISH apostacy, in fact, the covenant the Jews made with Antiochus Epiphanes is called "the apostacy" in 1 Maccabees 2:15šŸ‘
      kevin w
      kevin w
      59 minutes ago
      @Kev Tom kev, my pastor gave me Marv Rosenthal "PreWrath Rapture" he debunked the pre trib rapture, but boy did my church family react emotionally when I told them I no longer believe it nor can I teach itšŸ‘
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      Eric Pantalone
      Eric Pantalone
      41 minutes ago
      Thanks for putting this together. Unfortunately, this topic requires a collection of scripture to address and I haven't read them all yet. I do find it interesting how the alien delusion is starting to ramp up again with Pentagon video releases and the like. Many have suggested that will be the explanation when the rapture occurs....Or maybe it will just be the explanation for the beings Revelation says will be released during the tribulation..Either way, curious how you explain this: ."Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth" Revelation 3:10.
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    2. HanssJuly 11, 2020 at 1:18 AM

      Kev Tom
      32 minutes ago
      @kevin w Yeah weve tried to find churches locally that do not teach it and put ourselves on the outs with them all as well. They need the protection spiritually is all we can figure. YH bless.
      james cassidy
      james cassidy
      25 minutes ago (edited)
      Yes, Thess 2 is not about the rapture. I'm pretrib and I never thought that verse was. For real 100% scriptural proof of the pretrib rapture please watch this it's amazing. God Bless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke9j4z9hBL8&t=914s and this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBGmbA9qD4s
      B Rad
      B Rad
      13 minutes ago (edited)
      It could mean an exodus , the departing. The reason i think that is because i have had a dream of an exodus.I know .. he had a dream but i don't think all dreams are just random but they can be a way we are ready for certain things to come. There are scriptures that have more than one meaning i think. like come out of her my people least you take part in her sins. but what makes me think about this is the exodus in Jeremiah 11:11 and then the second one I see is in Isaiah 11:11.
      deformed theologian
      deformed theologian
      13 minutes ago
      Falling away is the bride of the Beast system. It will be wounded soon as people leave the Roman Catholic church. But will Revive in the Roman Catholic Empire during the persecution
      Ted Tan
      Ted Tan
      12 minutes ago
      Great falling away is hinged on the Word, Jesus and his instruction. There are many churches that have done a JUDAS to their congregants by aligning with the False prophet Movement of Francis.
      God is always about Obedience, what the Majority of souls will be led to destruction because of Disobedience or deviation from Truth. This is a false Christian movement. The biggest threat to a Christian is YOUR own brother, sister, mother, father. And thats very defined in the last days. Satan sure knows about Infiltration, he did it in Jesus Ministry, when he demolished Judas by Corruption.
      Pablo Valdez
      Pablo Valdez
      3 minutes ago
      kevin w and you are a part of the apostasia
      denise chishko
      denise chishko
      4 minutes ago
      Eric P The church of Philadelphia will be kept supernaturally, like Daniel in the Lions den or the three in the furnace. They will be the ones who will be alive and remain at the coming of Jesus. BTW the word remain means to survive in the original Greek text. Hope that helps

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  42. HanssOctober 30, 2021 at 4:54 PM

    GOING-2-GLORY Hans S • 7 minutes ago

    Tyndale Bible 1534
    2:3 Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

    Cloverdale Bible 1535
    2:3 Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

    The Great Bible 1539
    2:3 Let no man deceaue you by eny meanes, for the Lorde shall not come excepte ther come a departynge fyrst, and that that synfull man be opened, the sonne of perdicyon,

    Geneva Bible 1560/1599
    2:3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

    Here is an excerpt i found super interesting from Art Licursi's recent article on this topic...

    TRANSLATION HISTORY
    The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either “departure” or “departing.” They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608).7 This supports the notion that the word truly means
    “departure.” In fact, Jerome’s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the
    time of A.D. 400 renders apostasia with the “word discessio, meaning ‘departure.’”8 Why
    was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of
    “departure”?

    Most scholars say that no one knows the reason for the translation shift. However, a
    plausible theory has been put forth by Martin Butalla in his Master of Theology thesis
    produced at Dallas Theology Seminary in 1998.9 It appears that the Catholic translation
    into English from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate known as the Rheims Bible (1576) was the first
    to break the translation trend. “Apostasia was revised from ‘the departure’ to ‘the
    Protestant Revolt,’” explains Butalla. “Revolution is the terminology still in use today
    when Catholicism teaches the history of the Protestant Reformation. Under this guise,
    apostasia would refer to a departure of Protestants from the Catholic Church.”10

    The Catholic translators appear eager to engage in polemics against the Reformation by
    even allowing it to impact Bible translation. By 1611, when then original version of the
    King James Bible came out, the translators changed the English translation tradition
    from “departure” to “falling away,” which implied “apostasy.” Such a change was a
    theological response to the Catholic notion that the Reformation was a revolt against the
    true church; instead, Protestants saw Catholic beliefs as “the falling away” or “the great
    apostasy. This would mean that the shift in translation was not based upon research of
    the meaning of the original language but as a theological polemic against the false
    teachings of Romanism.

    It is well established that E. Schuyler English is thought to be the first pretribulationist to propose that “the departure” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 was a physical departure and thus a reference to the pre-Trib rapture. However, history records that at least a couple of men thought of this idea before English’s series of article in 1950.11 J. S. Mabie is said to have presented the view that “the departure” refers to the rapture as early as 1859 during a prophecy conference in Los Angeles.12 He later wrote his view in an article published in November 1895 in a periodical called Morning Star.13 Another pre-English proponent of “the departure” as the rapture was John R. Rice in a book in 1945.14]

    To read the article entirely go to:
    http://www.artlicursi.com/articles/%E2%80%9Cdeparture%E2%80%9D-2-thessalonians-23

    PEACEšŸ‘‘šŸ™šŸ’—

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    1. HanssOctober 30, 2021 at 4:54 PM

      Nancy Drew Gary33 • 14 hours ago

      Interesting how the Bible says that the man of sin "be revealed." He is "revealed" because he is on the down low? A puppeteer behind the puppets...? Just food for thought.

      2 Thessalonians 2:3
      “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
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      GOING-2-GLORY Nancy Drew • 11 hours ago • edited

      Is interesting to me that all the previous English version Bibles before the KJV all speak of a "departure " or "departing" first...then that man of sin....etc... which makes perfect sense as Paul first speaks of our gathering together in verse 1, and is correcting a false doctrine brought in either by word, letter supposedly from him but was not from him! ...

      Here is the Geneva Bible translation... 2 Thess.2:

      1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ, and by our assembling vnto him,
      2 That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from vs, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
      3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,
      4 Which is an aduersarie, and exalteth him selfe against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doeth sit as God in the Temple of God, shewing him selfe that he is God.

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      Hans S GOING-2-GLORY • 9 hours ago • edited

      You used the Geneva Bible in the old spelling (v = u and u = v) and this is the modernized spelling of 1599:

      2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 1599 Geneva Bible
      1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
      2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
      4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

      'the day of Christ' is the day on which the RAPTURE will happen and 'departing' is the RAPTURE and 'a falling away' (KJV) is the effect of the rapture among left behind believers

      Compare:

      2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 King James Version
      1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
      2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
      4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

      'the day of Christ' is the day on which the RAPTURE will happen and 'a falling away' is what will happen after the RAPTURE

       

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  1. Hanss24 February 2022 at 12:54

    The Rapture

    Behold, I tell you a secret; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed (1 Corinthians 15.51-52).

    Introduction

    Great controversy and confusion exists in Christendom regarding the doctrine of the Rapture. This unfortunate state is a result of not understanding Pauline theology–a failure of both Biblical neophytes and theological professionals. Much of the failure is simply unbelief–a refusal to believe the straightforward message of the Scripture. This study will examine the Pauline texts with the goal to end the confusion and turn unbelief to faith.

    The Word “Rapture” (į¼ĻĻ€Ī¬Ī¶Ļ‰)

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  2. Hanss20 April 2023 at 02:04

    Was a Pre-Trib Rapture Taught before the 1800's?

    The Margaret MacDonald Origin for the Rapture False.

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  3. Hanss20 April 2023 at 02:05

    The Pre-Tribulation RAPTURE - True or False?

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      Was a Pre-Trib Rapture Taught before the 1800's?

      The Margaret MacDonald Origin for the Rapture False.

      Many who don’t believe in a pre-trip Rapture claim it originated approximately 1830. They point to John Darby (1827) and/or Margaret MacDonald. They usually say Margaret MacDonald started this theological view back in 1830. The claim is typically made that MacDonald received a demonic vision, passed it on to John Darby, who in turn popularized it. This really doesn't make since for one Darby began to write about a pre-trib Rapture in the 1820's before MacDonald supposedly had her vision. MacDonald's vision wasn't even published until 1840. On top of that MacDonald's statement has nothing about a pre-trib Rapture. It's more a partial Rapture and even post-trib Rapture. So I don't know why they keep referring to her as the origin of the pre-trib Rapture. And there were others already seeing from the scriptures and teaching a pre-trib Rapture in the 1700's. Disproving the assertion that the pre-trib Rapture wasn't taught until the 1800's proves rather easy. Pre-trib scholars have discovered a host of Rapture writings that predate Margaret MacDonald. Remember, the assertion is that 'no' one believed or taught a pre-trib Rapture until the 1800's. While the Bible should be our source, no matter what has or has not been taught throughout Church history, here’s just a few writings from the early church fathers that believed and taught a pre-trib Rapture.

      Epharaem the Syrian (306 AD - 373 AD), A deacon in the large church in Syria he later became the bishop of the church at Nisibis. In his work, On The Last Times - Two, Ephraim wrote:

      We ought to understand thoroughly therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. . . . Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Jesus Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? Believe you me, dearest brothers, because the coming of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time. Or do you not believe unless you see with your eyes? . . . See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: "Woe to those who desire to see the day of the Lord! "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

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    2. Hanss20 April 2023 at 02:08

      Epharaem said to 'prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Jesus Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion'. He said the coming of the Lord is near. Then he said, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, 'prior to the tribulation' that is to come". He even used the word imminent. That's describing a pre-trib Rapture. He was quoting Amos when he refers to the day of the Lord,

      Amos 5: 18 Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!
      For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light.

      The day of the Lord is the time of the Tribulation, not Jesus' 2nd coming. You better believe everyone living during the time of the Tribulation that have come to believe on/in Jesus will be desiring, longing for the 2nd coming. So, to say the day of the Lord is referring to Jesus' 2nd coming doesn't make since.

      But we go can back further than that.

      Irenaeus (A.D. 120-202), died as a martyr for his faith, wrote Against Heresies, one of the most important prophetic writings of the primitive Church. Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp (A.D. 69-155), who was personally taught by the apostle John who received and wrote Revelation. The writings of Polycarp have been lost to history. I’ve read that his writings were burned in a fire. But there are many early commentaries that quote him as well as Irenaeus. We do have many writings from Irenaeus. Irenaeus taught a pre-millennial view, that Jesus would literally return and set up his earthly kingdom here on earth for a literal 1000 years, a 7-year tribulation and the rapture of the Church. Papias (60 -130) is another early Church father that was taught by the Apostle John. He was 10 years old when Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed. Cyprian (200-258) wrote enthusiastically about the imminent coming of the Lord. All of these early Church fathers also taught and wrote that John was on the Isle of Patmos in 95 a.d. when he received and wrote the book of Revelation. If anyone would know what John taught and when he was on the Isle of Patmos these men would.

      Irenaeus (120 A.D. - 202 AD)

      In his five volume treatise, Against Heresies, after going into some detail concerning what will be occurring during the Tribulation, in book 5 chapter 29, Irenaeus mentions the Rapture.

      And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.

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    3. Hanss20 April 2023 at 02:08

      Irenaeus used the same Harpazo, "caught up" as Paul did 1 Thessalonians 4. He said suddenly caught up from this, 'then' there shall be tribulation. So, it sounds like Irenaeus believed that the Rapture of the Church would occur prior to the beginning of the Tribulation.

      Cyprian (200 AD - 258 AD)

      The bishop of the early church at Carthage was beheaded for his faith in 258 AD and was a great pillar of the early church. In his work Treatise of Cyprian 7 he wrote:

      We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. ... And do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? ... Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.

      Cyprian said, regard it as the greatest advantage to 'depart from it' quickly, by an 'early departure' you are 'taken away', delivered 'from'. He used the word imminent. Sounds like a pre-trib Rapture.

      For almost a 1000 yrs., the time of the medieval Church, also called the dark ages, of which during this time the Roman Catholic Church was all there was, the medieval Church gradually dismissed the literal truths of the Bible. The most fundamental Biblical doctrines as taught in the Bible were lost until the reformation with John Wycliffe, John Huss, William Tyndale, John Calvin and Martin Luther. The Protestant Reformation was based on the unshakable principle “Sola Scripture” (only Scripture). The Protestant Reformation was predominantly based on the rejection of centuries of accumulated man made doctrines, Roman Catholic Church traditions, and a return to the authority of the Word of God. The Protestant Reformation reached a boiling point when Martin Luther posted his Ninety-five Theses in 1520. During the dark ages the Bible was in Latin and none of the people could read Latin and compounding the problem very few Priest could either. Once the Bible was translated into German and English people were able to read and find the truths of the Bible for themselves. The invention of the Gutenberg Press greatly facilitated the distribution of printed Bibles to the people. Since the reformation the truths of the Bible have slowly been rediscovered.

      The Doctrine of the Rapture being lost shouldn’t be a surprise, the doctrine of Justification by faith (Romans 1:17), salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) was also, the teaching had become salvation by works.

      So, the assertion that a pre-trib Rapture wasn't taught for 1800 years is false. We see some of the earliest Church fathers believed and taught a pre-trib Rapture. There were more than these I shared. The fact is the Bible shows us that there will indeed be a catching up of the believers and that it will be before the time of the Tribulation, before the judgment and wrath of God is poured out on a Christ rejecting world.


      Maranatha, come Lord Jesus.

      Source: The Rapture and End Time Prophecies For Beginners

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  4. Hanss23 February 2024 at 18:19

    On The Trail of Apostasia — The Sham Translation History

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    1. Hanss23 February 2024 at 18:19


      When Paul wrote 2 Thess. 2:3 there were no Jesuits who are against the Protestant reformation       ....but Satan already existed and he HATES the rapture of the Body of Christ. Believe whatever makes you happy.
      To me departing = rapture

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    2. Hanss23 February 2024 at 18:27


      Robert Breaker teaches that 'a falling away' in 2 Thess. 2:3 will be the result of the rapture      , so 'departing' in the Geneva Bible is the rapture of the Body of Christ which will result into a 'falling away' among unsaved people, because saved people cannot fall away from faith.

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    3. Hanss23 February 2024 at 18:44

      Another clue: many believers in JESUS believe in the pre-trib-rapture but they are NOT SAVED by the RIGHT Gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
      There will be a falling away among them after the rapture has happened and they're still on earth.

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    4. Hanss23 February 2024 at 20:33


      @Soothkeep The translators (ex-Catholics) of the Geneva Bible knew nothing about the pre-tribulation-rapture      , and that made sense because they lived in a time when it did not yet apply and that also applies to the earlier and later translations of the Bible.
      Paul certainly knew about it because it had been revealed to him by the Lord JESUS, but he too could not have known that the pre-trib rapture would occur far in the future from his perspective.
      However, the Jesuits DID know about the pre-trib rapture and that became their doctrine of 'futurism' with the aim of turning the attention away from the Pope and onto a 'mysterious man' who would appear on the world stage in the end times as the Antichrist, while all reformers knew that the Papacy is the Antichrist by default.
      'a departure from the faith' is simply an interpretation because that is not stated in the original text.
      The pre-trib rapture MUST take place or the unfulfilled prophecies regarding Israel and the world cannot be fulfilled that are NOT meant for The Body of Christ.
      The entire book of Revelation is NOT addressed to the saved members of The Body of Christ.
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      @Soothkeep
      54 minutes ago
      "Departing" in the Geneva Bible, if we let that venerable book speak for itself, means falling away. Please see the following introductions, prefaces, and marginal notes from the Geneva Bible. Those who believe the early English Bibles used "departure" in the sense of the rapture are living in a fantasy.

      Geneva Bible (1560 and 1569) — The introduction to Second Thessalonians.
      “Paul … writeth unto them and exhorteth them to pacience and other frutes of faith, neither to be moued with that vaine opinion of suche as taught that the comming of Christ was at hand, forasmuche as before that day there shulde be a falling away from true religion, even by a great parte of the worlde, and that Antichrist shulde reigne in the Temple of God.”

      The Geneva NT (1557) — The preface to the second chapter of Second Thessalonians.
      “He sheweth them that the day of the Lord shall not come tyl the departing from the faith come fyrst, and the kyngdome of Antechrist.”

      The Geneva Bible (1560, 1569) — The preface to the second chapter of Second Thessalonians.
      “He sheweth them that the day of the Lord shal not come, til the departing from the faith come first, And the kingdome of Antichrist. And therefore he exhorteth them not to be deceaued, but to stand stedfast in the things that he hathe taught them.”

      The Geneva/Thomson NT (1595) (aka Beza NT) — The preface to the second chapter of Second Thessalonians.
      “He sheweth that the day of the Lord shall not come, till there be a departure from the faith, and that Antichrist be reveiled, whose destruction he fitteth out, and thereupon exhorteth to constauncie.”

      Geneva Bible (1560) — The marginal note reads, “A wonderful departing of the moste parte from the faith.”

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    5. Hanss23 February 2024 at 20:35


      ​ @Soothkeep
      A lot of people believe based on their interpretation of the Bible that the earth is a sphere and a spinning globe in space      , and others believe on their interpretation of that same Bible that the earth is stationary and flat and round with a dome shaped firmament.
      There are a lot of people who believe in the pre-tribulation-rapture, seven years before the Second Coming of the Lord JESUS Christ, based on their interpretation of the Bible and there are those who don't believe that, based on that same Bible, and they believe they have to go through the tribulation, aka the Time of Jacob's Trouble.
      I know a lot about the Geneva Bible and I prefer this translation in English, though I'm Dutch, but I also know that the translators of the Geneva Bible made a lot of mistakes in their footnotes because they didn't discern the difference between Israel and the Body of Christ.
      This is from someone I learned a lot from:

      Rightly dividing the Word is the goal of this article, and it is an indispensable key to proper understanding of the Bible. The abundance of scriptural evidence detailed in the third section makes it very clear that Revelation is doctrine for Israel, which was written to Jews who believed in Jesus Christ, by an apostle of the circumcision, for direct application in the prophetic "kingdom" dispensation. At the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, God placed that dispensation in abeyance in 70 AD, to be resumed in the future tribulation.

      The entire book of Revelation, including chapters 1-3, is deeply rooted in Old Testament prophecy. It is doctrinally aligned with the epistles of Peter, James, John, and Jude, all of whom were apostles of the circumcision, as well as to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, and the Old Testament.

      The dispensation of grace in which we now live is revealed in Romans through Philemon, our Apostle Paul's letters to the Gentiles, with Acts being the book of transition between the two dispensations.

      Source: The Seven Churches of Revelation
      Matthew McGee

      The Body of Christ is not appointed to God's wrath so they don't have to go through the Great Tribulation, but more importantly: the rest of the prophetic word can't be fulfilled if the Body of Christ is still on earth with the indwelling Holy Spirit, who is the Restrainer.
      The prophetic wordt is for Israel and the world and not about the Body of Christ.

      PS: I believe the earth is round and flat with a dome shaped firmament and that 'nukes' don't exist and that there has never been a pandemic and that the jabs are the precursor to the Mark of the Beast and that the Pope is the Antichrist by default, because every Pope is the disguised Luciferian Roman emperor.

      Are you saved by THE Gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?
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      @Soothkeep
      1 hour ago
      I do not consult my happiness or my fear for what I believe. I consult the word of God, the facts of history, and the facts of grammar. Superstitions I avoid like the plague. Please examine the historical facts on the Geneva Bible.

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    6. Hanss24 February 2024 at 02:58

      @Soothkeep Evangelist and teacher Robert Breaker, who's a KJV-onlyist, believes 'a falling away' will be the result of the rapture, so whether it is 'a falling away' or 'departing/departure' it has to do with the rapture, because many believers believe in the rapture but they are not saved by the right gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and they will be deeply disappointed when it turns out that they have been left behind and many of them will fall away from the faith.
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      @Soothkeep
      @Soothkeep
      4 hours ago
      I absolutely believe in and teach the pretrib rapture. But the interpretation of apostasia is a different issue entirely than whether or not the pretrib rapture is true.

      The theory that apostasia = departure in the sense of physical departure is just a theory. I have examined all 283 extant instances of this Greek word on the TLG website in context, from the first usage around 250 BC to AD 500. All these passages I present in the appendices in my book on the subject, with an English translation (about 40% of the time I had to execute my own as none was available). Apostasia was never once used for physical departure. It had a small handful of instances where it was used in scientific or medical or legal senses that have nothing to do with the 2 Thess. 2:3 controversy. The rest of the time it was either religious apostasy (90%) or political rebellion (10%).

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    7. Hanss24 February 2024 at 12:58


      @AldoSchmedack That doesn't make sense because saved believers cannot 'depart from faith'       because they are sealed with the Holy Spirit, so it's about believers who are NOT sealed with the Holy Spirit in 1 Timothy 4:1.
      In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 it's about 'a departing':
      2 Thessalonians 2:3
      New Matthew Bible

      3 Let no man deceive you by any means. For the Lord comes not unless there come a departing first and that sinful man be revealed – the son of perdition
      2 Thessalonians 2:3
      1599 Geneva Bible

      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

      It doesn't say 'a departing FROM FAITH' in the original manuscript, just 'a departing'.

      The question is; what is this 'departing' and what is the cause of it?

      I BELIEVE the rapture of the Body of Christ and after this there will be 'a falling away' (from faith) of believers in JESUS Christ, because they thought they were saved and 'rapture-ready', but they didn't believe in the right Gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

      Are you saved?
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      @LyndaP31
      2 weeks ago
      Thank you for this. I could never figure out a rapture interpretation just by the plain reading of the text. Your work just solidifies the plain reading of scripture is the best interpretation.
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      @AldoSchmedack
      2 weeks ago
      1 Timothy 4:1 KJV — Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

      Always use scripture to interpret scripture. Precisely what Lee has done. Even coming history for early views, we again see Lee was spot on.

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